Or this one?
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...78-troop-67773

And is this asking price better than can be found in Australia?

Thanks for that over view.
It confuses me, but names are easier to remember than numbers, if only because the names tend to be used in "for sale" advertising.
(but motorcycle models have a similar issue).

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But with Land Cruisers you really should stick to the numbers. Depending on where the car was sold, Toyota used different naming schemes for identical vehicles. Eg the moniker Prado for the light duties was not used in continental Europe. In Swizerland a unique numbering scheme existed (200, 300, 400) that related to nothing else in Europe.

And then there is more to learn, if you get the full designation of the car (like HZJ80 or VZJ95), especially the motor type. Toyota uses a mixed combination of letters and numbers to define the engine type and the body style. But all Land Cruiser designations contain the letter J. The number right of the letter J stands for the body style, the letters left of the J for the engine type. For an overwiew of the designation scheme on Toyota engines see the article on wikipedia.

A general overwiev can be found on wikipedia about the Land Cruiser and the Land Cruiser Prado.

Generally Toyota split up the Land Cruiser series into two during the 1980 into a heavy duty line (with leaf springs only until ca. 2000) and a light duty line (with coil springs). So a Land Cruiser with a 7 as the first digit of its type number might be heavy duty or light duty. These two lines later split up into independent series.

So comparing a 80 to a 90 or 95 is not fair. The 80 series is the heavy duty line with the straight 6 as Diesel, Turbodiesel or petrol and has always 4 doors.
A 90 is a short light duty with 2 doors, a 95 is a light duty with 4 doors.
The J9 like the J8 has coil leaves on both axles, but the J9 has the smaller differentials (8" compared to 9.5") and the J9 was never available with the straight 6.

If you are interested in a particular car, ask for the VIN or frame number. Go to ToyoDIY.com, enter the number or choose by the market where the vehicle has been sold originally and you find plenty of information about it. Here you find a cheat sheet for Toyota VINs.

HTH, Hans

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It's a very interesting and useful summary: thanks!
I think some of this has been mentioned in other threads about Landcruisers, but it's a good summary for this particular thread.
Regarding the "light duty/heavy duty" factor, I seem to recall that the smaller diameter differentials in the light duty series do not have full diff locks in place; rather there are limited slip diffs (LSDs) fitted all round??

In contrast the 80 series advertised in the UK are all described as having diff locks x 3 (front, back and, presumably, a main diff straight out of the gearbox).

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Not quite correct,
The "differentials, well that's not quite true.
On many so called Light Land Cruisers" they have a locking rear diff, which is also a LSD diff, and also a locking center diff.

The 80 series (there was no SWB 80 series, so really the 80 series should have been called the 85 series, but that just complicates things.) and the 70/71/75 series, have a solid front beam axle, generally allowing for front axle articulation.
But paying a price for road holding and comfort.

The later 90/95 series, the 100 series, and the 120/125 series all have independent front suspension as the difference.
More comfortable, better road holding, and about only 75% the articulation that the solid beam front axles can give.
All are coil sprung, except fro the early 70/75 series rears.

So unless your trip is taking you some where where you need 100% front axle articulation, then there isn't any need for a labouring 80 series.
Your just penalising yourself with comfort, road holding, and heavy fuel economy.

The 90/95 (years about 1995 to 2002)
The replacement 120/125 from 2002 to 2009 are both excellent vehicles. 3.0 Liter turbo diesel, power ranges from about 130bhp to 175bhp. Depending on model.
Almost as cavernous inside as the 80 series, (I say about 90% of the internal size) for the trips that 99% of us will do, bearing in mind, not many of us are heading to the Central African Congo in the rainy season lately..

The 100 series, was the replacement for the 80 series, same'ish sort of engine, but where the 80 series had solid front beam axle, the 100 series was more refined, and was fitted with independent front suspension, like it's smaller 90/95 and 120/125 series.

vette

There is no center diff in the light duties. They do have a LSD at the read but none at the front like hinted above by Walkabout.

Concerning the heavy duty J7: They had spring leaves all around until 1999. Until then they have coil springs at the front and still leave springs at the rear. The two generations are easy to spot: older ones have wheels with 6 bolts, the ones with coil springs at the front wheels with 5 bolts. And the numbering scheme changed. The SWB 70 became the 71, the MWB 73 became the 74 and the LWB 75 remained the 75. But the 75 PU (pickup) became the 79. And the 77 became the 78. To top this all in 2002 Toyota changed the front part of the cars to make place for the V8 engine that our friends from down under so deperately wanted and suddenly there was a 76.

Except for the 105, which still had a solid axle at the front. This makes the 105 one of the most interesting Landcruisers.

Hans

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My 95 has a locking rear diff not a lsd, the uk spec 95 Colorado cames with this rather than the lsd of elsewhere in the world. I'm pretty sure that it's also got a centre diff, centainly has the option of High Locked and Low Locked.

Sure the 80's etc may techically be better off road but they aren't cheap and the only troopy on fleabay at the mo is listed at £25k

The 95 is a very capable overland vehicle and mines served me well over 2 months and 15000km in Morocco

Don't think mine dos 30mpg though

It was becoming apparent that the models marketed by Toyota in different countries vary in the detail, even if they have similar market designations and titles (and even the same engine fitted).

Coincidentally, I have been looking at the ebay LCs this evening; from over 280 on sale in the UK right now there is the one Troopy identified above + a couple, or so, HJ40s at asking prices of £7-14K.
I guess they are all collectable here in the UK; certainly some of the later models come with cheaper asking prices.

Going with the view expressed earlier - that there is little wrong with the later models of LC despite the "more plastic" bodywork - what views are there about the later D-4D engine? Could it be, for example, they are more fuel efficient than the earlier machines?

Apologies to the OP if the Hilux (or the RAV for that matter) are still of interest: the LC has cornered this thread

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Hi Hans,
I respectfully suggest you don't know Land Cruisers as well as I do.
the 90/95 and the 120/125, both Land Cruisers certainly have locking center diffs.
The rear diffs can be LSD, or LSD "AND" locking rear diff.

Suggest you join a worthy Land Cruiser site,
Land Cruiser Club

And ask a few questions.

vette

Unfortunately this is a bit of an urban myth from the Land Cruiser forums.

Most Land Cruisers will have centre diff locks, either electrically or mechanically engaged.

They will then have either an open rear diff, a Limited Slip Diff or fully locking rear diff - you never get an LSD and diff lock.

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Hans,

I am not sure where you are finding your information, however, please refrain from posting incorrect information.
You are really confusing folk here.
You may be referring to Australian Land Cruisers?
Which are not UK or European Land Cruiser.

My 1991 70 series.

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Notice it has no leaf springs, this is because they are coils all round.
Notice how there are 6 wheel bolts and not 5 as you suggest.

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vette

I should have been more precise there. I was referring to J7 light duties.

What you're showing is a J7 light duty, not a heavy duty.

But still I know a few of them here in Germany and I've seen some of them in northern Africa.

This mystery could have been solved by following the links in my signature.

Pointless this discussion has become. After all this not a pissing contest, right? It has wandered too far from the original question, so I'll leave it at that.

Hans

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There are no 105 series available in Europe, so pointless directing the OP in that direction.

Perhaps it would be better if you completed your profile, so members can see where you are?
Then when you tell people about various Land Cruisers, they can at least recognise that you are talking form, what I guess, is an Australia point of perception.

vette

Just as a completely personal view, this thread is certainly not pointless for me; on the contrary, it contains information that serves to inform me about the models of Landcruisers that are available in various parts of the world - it is that simple.
It's an international forum - that's been said elsewhere recently in discussion about motorcycles - so it should be borne in mind when reading any individual posting.
I suppose an alternative to this current thread could be:-
1. Thread for RHD LCs sold in the UK
2. Thread for "grey import" LCs brought into the UK
3. Thread for LCs sold in continental Europe
4. Thread for LCs imported into Europe
5. Thread for LCs sold in Australia

etc etc

Sure, along the way there are some opinions expressed also, but that's not a problem to me and hopefully not to the OP (but I was concerned in my last post that he hasn't got information that he might want about, for instance, the Hilux).

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