Hi ppl
Doe anyone knows details about this new overlander(?)?

350 - 400 km per 100 km is a good fuel consumption for such an engine.
Ktm as racks and luggage boxes as optional what is good.
and about price?

i guess one can say it's a LC4 Adventure's upgrade and not a 'Varadero' look like asfalt tourer...isn'it? it has the same strong and imponent look, and agile beside its size....replies accepted....post your opinion please!!
thanks

My advise is: "too much stuff"...

Here in Italy the most of the trails are very narrow, so you get the offroad beast and you automatically forget any good offroad...

Mutch better my LC4 '01... it can be usefull to go from Italy in a tour of Spain, meet a lot of usenet friends, then reach Granada, drop luggage in the hotel and youre readi for a "merry go round" on the trails of the 6 days Enduro.... slowly, carefully, but you' re ready...

Next day you can force your spouse to get her heavily modified Dominator and again... from 500 to 2300 a.s.l. light trail riding...

Then again tourer, until you're back to Italy crossing all the "piel de toro" country, France, little ligth offroad on Pirynees and Alps... all in 10 days...

With such a beast, maybe my beloved wife's NX650 would be a little short, or the fourth gear useless on the 950...

... I'm little affraid about affordability of the new engine... I've already made my part in beta test for KTM on my old ADV '00, so I'll let the honour of testing it to anyone else! ;-)

Cheers

Badwolf (aka Pietro)

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A</A> volte un atteggiamento rigido e\' conseguenza di una paralisi.

Hi,

It looks like a fantastic beast, but I think pietros correct. I find the LC4 Adventure great for dirt and longer, straightish, undulating terrain, and then it still has loads of torque. On tight, twisty off road terrain, the long wheelbase, high torque and heavy weight (compared to a trails bike) make it a bit heavy to handle.. But then I'm not experienced and do have road tyres on - but it does comes from a desert racer design i.e. long straight high speed terrain.

I think the 950 Adventure will make an excellent overlanding bike for tarmac and dirt roads/tracks.

His point about the first release reliability may be worth some. Generally, the bugs need to be ironed out, perhaps not the KTM ones, but the third party add-ons.

Maybe test for a year in Europe, then head off to place's further a field?

Regards
James

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Previous bikes...
KTM Duke II 2000
Kawazaki ZX-6R 1998
BMW F650 1996
+ others...
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I think one thing you will need to think about is comfort factor if you are going to be doing serious miles.

To help this new thread quickly lengthen, here's my tusen's worth:

I like this bike. After losing hair and sleep for two years thinking "which bike, which bike," lofting and jettisoning one bike after another, I think the 950 KTM is my final choice.

Consider - "low" S/H of only 88 cm, broader seat, vibration-smoothing twin-cylinder engine, lighter than an equivalent BMW GS, raced and road-tested even before it hits the showroom ...

As its advertising tag goes, I consider it to be the ultimate - for now, if not for ever - all-terrain bike and then some.

It is a natural, evolutionary step up from the 640 Adventure, adding to rather than replacing it. The 2003 640 S/H has been increased to 945 cm as a contra to the 950 sporting a lower seat.

The 950 is the first KTM bike offering a sub-90 cm S/H, drawing back, I'm sure, riders who had shied away from them for their tallish seats, myself included.

Some riders might feel it is too much of a bike, so is the BMW GS. They are in THAT category of bikes. If you want a non-frilled bike, look at the next stand.

Too much plastic dressups? They are there for a purpose, but if desperate, I'm sure they can be removed, stored and put back on as the fancy takes,what?

Expensive? Sure. It is up there with Caponord, Varadero, 1150 GS, etc.

My money is it will go down as a cult bike carving its own niche and faithful following over the years just as the Beemies, Kawas and the rest of them.

Now where's my check book.

Hi there - for anyone who's interested here a fact-sheet:

http://enduronet.baboons.de/content....OC_2359&page=2

Though it's in German I trust you find most of it understanable!





[This message has been edited by onlycookie (edited 24 October 2002).]

when this bike hits the showrooms, how can anyone consider a monstrosity like the 1150GS?

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dave

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Easy - take one look at the seat!

Going on previous experience, close look at the KTM etc, imho the 1150Gs will win for the high mileage mostly pavement (and especially two-up) folks, the KTM will win for those who are more off-road solo.

There will be plenty of crossover of course. There are - a few - people two-up on 640KTM rtw - whereas some folk with the same bike will tell you they're crazy to do that. Depends a lot on physical size of the rider / passenger too.

There was a guy 6' 7" and 240 pounds if I recall right looking for a bike on one list, and the 1150 would be perfect for him - well, maybe a bit cramped...

All depends on what you want.

At least now there will be a viable alternative!

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Grant Johnson

Seek, and ye shall find.
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I'm just wondering when are these great bikes going to be for sale in the USA and how much are they gonna be sold for. Any ideas?

I have sent that same question to KTM Austria's guestbook on their website and they have refused to print it. I asked when are they coming and are both models... I sent it on two different weeks and it was never published. I have heard from some good USA sources: May '03.
Allen.

Agree with every single word you've said!

Anyway, I got mine ordered and am getting one end march... can't wait...

That is one fine looking motorcycle...the seat probably comes up to my chin though!
Id love to buy a KTM for a next bike but its quite worrying when you hear of all the problems. I just dont know..

"all the problems" ???
There aren't that many, are they?

Anyway, the bike is coming to the market at the end of March... can't wait to get one.

(And blackjack, it's not that high - 860mm for the silver version and 916 for the orange one...)

As posted in equipping the bike --->

Presumably KTM has launched (ok, it will launch in a month or so) a very very interesting piece of equipment...

Side paniers made of hard and durable plastic, which -- check this out -- INCLUDE A DOUBLE-WALL, creating a three-litre water reservoir in each panier (or better said in the whole panier wall).

Now THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GENIOUS IDEA...

(source: a journalist that attended a presentation and test ride-weekend in Malaga/Spain couple of days ago)


Otherwise, the guy says that the bike, especially the non-S version (lower one, silver color only for now) has won the hearts of all the journalists... you gotta be extremely good off-road driver to handle the orange one off-the road... the seat is presumably wide enough to do long distance rides aswell, and it rides crazy... very gentle up to 6.000rpm and than it goes crazy after that...

I just hope everything will be as said (well, even if just half of it is true it still wins my heart and soul)... getting mine in 5 weeks... :P :P