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Photo by Hubert Kriegel, of Jean-Louis Grauby, Dades Gorge, Morocco, during the 8th year of 'thetimelessride'. Ten years on the road on his 2008 Ural Sportsman

Adventure is what you make it

Photo by Hubert Kriegel, of Jean-Louis Grauby, Dades Gorge, Morocco, during the 8th year of 'thetimelessride'. Ten years on the road on his 2008 Ural Sportsman.



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Not sure, to be honest, but I could check.
I bought it 5 years ago when I lived on the edge of the Peak District and went out most Sunday mornings riding the trails. I would hit the trails early (7am) to avoid the walkers, do a loop of the high and low peak and be home before lunch.
As I was 5 minutes from the first trail I don’t suppose I clocked up that much mileage over the 3 years that this was my routine.

I have moved since then and the trail riding is pretty sparse round here and it’s a long ride back to the Peaks for a days ride, although I do it occasionally.
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I doubt a welded rear subframe would increase the load capacity. I guess it's simply cheaper to produce. Instead of some assembly worker driving in four screws, now a welding robot does it all in one go.
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An Aussie guy who lives close to me in NE Thailand got the L. He has done a few mods on it, drilled a hole in the air box, increased the teeth on the front sprocket, and put a full Yosimura system on it to increase the pipe size and its great, I had a go on it when I was home in March and it was great.
I am at work at the moment but the next time I am home I will try and grab a photo
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Too busy building CRF500L's....!!!

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Took one for a quick spin and I thought the subframe looked reassuringly chunky.
(Usual 5-6kg limit on the back. 162kg gross payload).

No one has asked but I will share my impressions anyway.
Long version here.
  • Very light (147kg verified with a near empty tank)
  • Looks great
  • Very good (claimed) mpg
  • Interesting gearing: low 1st; overdrive 6th
  • Bigger fuel tank (12.8L = 500km range)
  • Welded subframe looks chunkier (162kg claimed payload)
  • For me, 24 to 27hp is not a worthwhile improvement
  • Lots of plastic to scratch and crack
  • Tall saddle (but sinks down loads – or was my Xmas better than I thought?)
  • Suspension probably needs upgrading
  • Nearly a £grand more than a 300L
  • Less than a couple of hundred quid cheaper than a 500X

Update 2023:
Bought myself a near new 300L with loads of extras.
Fitted an Acerbis tank for a 400km range and getting some TL wheels made.
https://adventure-motorcycling.com/p...onda-crf-300l/

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That's cool.

I wish Honda would get on and build a proper CRF450/500L.

Their current 2 year old CRF450L is already being discontinued in certain markets as it's a total "WHY did you build this?" bike.

Even better, Suzuki need to build a DRZ450 with FI and a Rally cockpit.

I love my twenty year old DRZ400. If only it had that magic 6th gear. Although with the 434cc kit on mine it has the torque to pull longer gearing.
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Took one for a quick spin and I thought the subframe looked reassuringly chunky.
(Usual 5-6kg limit on the back. 162kg gross payload).

No one has asked but I will share my impressions anyway.
Long version here.
  • Very light (147kg verified with a near empty tank)
  • Looks great
  • Very good (claimed) mpg
  • Interesting gearing: low 1st; overdrive 6th
  • Bigger fuel tank (12.8L = 500km range)
  • Welded subframe looks chunkier (162kg claimed payload)
  • For me, 24 to 27hp is not a worthwhile improvement
  • Lots of plastic to scratch and crack
  • Tall saddle (but sinks down loads – or was my Xmas better than I thought?)
  • Suspension probably needs upgrading
  • Nearly a £grand more than a 300L
  • Less than a couple of hundred quid cheaper than a 500X
You mentioned in your long version that Honda dont have bigger suitable engine - but they actually do - the 330 cc engine they for example have in their Forza scooter: https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...forza-350-2021

Another thing about the Crf250/300s

I own a first year Crf250L in Thailand (2012/2013) and a 2018 Crf250 Rally in Norway. Both are engine and performance-wise stock. And the 2017-2020 engines supposed to be more peppy with 1,8 HP more. But in reality my thai Crf is very much more lively and peppy, especially at low and mid range - even though its supposed to be having less power. So theres something not quite right there with the performance numbers. Different ECU or mapping or whatever…? Maybe Ted or others that are skilled about bikes know?

And on the 300 models the thai models comes with 31 HP and most other markets seem to come with 27 HP only. So that indicates that they now have the numbers right and that there is something to be done to get a bit more power out of the 300s
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I have also heard that the later, more powerful 250s actually seemed slower alongside the older ones. The power must be found somewhere, maybe way up the rev range?

27 vs 31hp; perhaps they don't have Euro regs in Thailand.
Wasn't there a thing fitting a Thai ECU into restricted bikes?
Worked for a bit then Honda changed the plug.
Can't recall if it was the CRFs or something similar.

I think a Forza and similar scooter engines are quite a different bit of kit.
Hard to know where it starts and ends.
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I have also heard that the later, more powerful 250s actually seemed slower alongside the older ones. The power must be found somewhere, maybe way up the rev range?

27 vs 31hp; perhaps they don't have Euro regs in Thailand.
Wasn't there a thing fitting a Thai ECU into restricted bikes?
Worked for a bit then Honda changed the plug.
Can't recall if it was the CRFs or something similar.

I think a Forza and similar scooter engines are quite a different bit of kit.
Hard to know where it starts and ends.
Yep - youre into something there as I also have heared that getting a ECU from Thailand or Japan made the bikes noticably peppier. Maybe it was a ECU from the CBR250 as that bike was said to have ~ 27 HP compared to the first edition Crfs with 22,8.

I also think Thailand dont have the EU regulations and thus dont need to restrict their bikes to run so very lean as they do in EU. The funny/interesting thing is that I also get slightly better fuel milage on my more powerful thai Crf compared to my EU Crf Rally. Would be interesting to get a good explanation about that….?

The 286 cc Honda engine thats used in the 300 Crfs nowadays was used for several Honda scooters, the SH300i (very classic and cool scooters - my mate had one for a couple of years) and the Forza 300 - that now had become a 350 (330 cc in reality) Obviously the drivetrain is different but the rest of the engine should be mostly the same.
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crf 300 rally 4,500 mile report

Here are my findings after 5 months and 4,500 miles
1 The bike is very very tight and at least 1.000 miles to loosen the engine
2 After 3.000 miles i would say its run in !
3 great bike , getting well over 100 mpg
4 I gave my bike another oil+ filter change at 3.000
5 its not an offroad bike ( like wr250r) but its a smashing adventure bike
6 just one draw back ............ its a bit "vibey" after 3 days in the saddle
7 well done mr,,,, HONDA
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crf 300 rally 4,500 mile report

Might have to eat my words about the Honda 300 rally . as i have now bought one and done 4500 on it in 5 months !!
1 great little adventure bike !
2 110 miles to a gallon
3 a lot more bottom end than a wr 250r
4 average suspension for a light rider
5 very very tight until 1000 miles ,ok after 3000 !
6 its not an trail bike ,
7 shame its not a 350
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What sort of terrain and riding are you doing to get 110mpg from it? That's about what my other half gets on the Tango, and that's a restricted 125!
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its all do do with the right hand !...................... its an adventure bike, so its ridden at " adventure " speeds
Oh and i get 75 mpg out of my T7 !!
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Would that be the four quart (3.785 liters) gallon, or the five quart (4.54609 liters) gallon? It always makes a difference when volleying figures back and forth.

I've had mileage in the mid seventies (US gallons) on my KLR when driving at moderate speeds on reasonably flat dirt roads. That would equate to ~90 miles per UK gallon, and that's a carburated 650.
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Mmm, for the Tango it's 2L/100KM with very gentle throttle use, but in the mountains, I suspect it's the changes in altitude that makes all the difference!
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