Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Europe
Europe Topics specific to Western and Eastern Europe, from UK to the Russian border, and south-east to Turkey.
Photo by James Duncan, Universe Camp, Uyuni Salt Flats

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by James Duncan,
"Universe Camp"
Uyuni Salt Flats



Like Tree5Likes
  • 1 Post By Samy
  • 3 Post By kobold
  • 1 Post By kobold

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14 Feb 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 8
turkey - current state

Hi all,

I would like to travel to Turkey this spring and it's not really sure whats going on there exactly (political changes, Kurds conflict,..).
Also, the Austrian foreign ministerium mentions that there have been problems to enter the country.

Does anyone have some information about this or any advice which area should be avoided?

kind regards
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 14 Feb 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: bulgaria
Posts: 16
I to intend to return to Turkey in June this year, I have lived there and visited many times. It really depends on where you are going. The boarder area's of Syria and Armainia are always full of tension, I was there last year riding off road near Mount Ararat and they arrested me and sent me back the way I came. But in the west and Anatolia it will be ok. I avoid the tourist area's anyway and will spend this trip high in the Taurus mountains. I am guessing if you can get an electronic visa then you'll be allowed in. Avoid the main crossing because they can be hell.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 15 Feb 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turkey
Posts: 59
Avoid Syrian border areas. With operations going on and random missile attacks to villages in Turkey from other side of the border, it is not safe.

Armenian border is militarized zone for a very long time.

There is state of emergency in effect for a while.

People are more tense than usual, things are a bit more chaotic than usual. People in big cities drive more aggressively.

Other than that, take your normal precautions as your other trips and it would be enough.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15 Feb 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: I S T
Posts: 655
Arrow

Quote:
Originally Posted by kobold View Post
Armenian border is militarized zone for a very long time.
Which Armenian border do you mention? I was only 100 meters away to Armenian border 2 days ago in Kars and haven't seen any soldier, military vehicle even police !

There is state of emergency in effect for a while.
Do you live in Kilis or Kırıkhan? If you live there may be you are right. I live in Central Anatolia and I don't feel what you are talking about !

People are more tense than usual, things are a bit more chaotic than usual. People in big cities drive more aggressively.
Same words valid also here ! Why people would drive aggressively in big cities because of the tension in Syrian border ?
Türkiye is a safe country, only need to be more careful around Syrian border
like Gaziantep and Antakya... That's all...
__________________
"where the traveller goes, nobody knows ! "
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15 Feb 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turkey
Posts: 59
Hi Sammy,

If you know Turkish, you can make a google search to find that even 2 days ago, people got arrested and released in Armenian border. (for having a picnic, or catching fish according to news outlets). These happened to Turkish people and Armenians and people from other nationalities. It is a tense region.

As captainktm told, you can get arrested by either side. (and probably released.) But DO YOU want to spend your holiday or your visit dealing with these kind of risks?

You are really living in Turkey??? I see police or military presence in every city entrance. I live in Ankara, I was born in Ankara and lived here for here for all of my life and I can tell you that it is very different than 5,10,15 years ago but it is off-topic. Even if it is not off-topic, as many people in Turkey, i am afraid of telling what I think and feel on internet.

I can assure you at least in Ankara, people were much more respectful to each other on traffic. People obeyed the most of the traffic rules. Nowadays, nobody obeys the traffic lights, one way streets, nobody uses turn signals, respects no parking zones, pedestrians, speed limits. (including me). Many people does not get any fine. A few weeks ago, school service drivers did get into gunfight with each other in traffic.

I could tell you the reasons why people are more tense but i still think it is off-topic.

I don't know whether you are a Turk or foreigner living in Turkey but how people react to a foreigner (even tough you are living in Turkey for a while) and to Turkish citizen is totally different.

So, in my opinion, everyone should ride / drive more carefully as people are more reckless and tense and aggressive on the roads. It is not bad advice to tell people to be more careful on the roads in Turkey.

As of state of emergency, it is Turkey-wide and you can find many articles about it and its effects on Turkey by googling.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15 Feb 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: bulgaria
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by kobold View Post
Hi Sammy,

If you know Turkish, you can make a google search to find that even 2 days ago, people got arrested and released in Armenian border. (for having a picnic, or catching fish according to news outlets). These happened to Turkish people and Armenians and people from other nationalities. It is a tense region.

As captainktm told, you can get arrested by either side. (and probably released.) But DO YOU want to spend your holiday or your visit dealing with these kind of risks?

You are really living in Turkey??? I see police or military presence in every city entrance. I live in Ankara, I was born in Ankara and lived here for here for all of my life and I can tell you that it is very different than 5,10,15 years ago but it is off-topic. Even if it is not off-topic, as many people in Turkey, i am afraid of telling what I think and feel on internet.

I can assure you at least in Ankara, people were much more respectful to each other on traffic. People obeyed the most of the traffic rules. Nowadays, nobody obeys the traffic lights, one way streets, nobody uses turn signals, respects no parking zones, pedestrians, speed limits. (including me). Many people does not get any fine. A few weeks ago, school service drivers did get into gunfight with each other in traffic.

I could tell you the reasons why people are more tense but i still think it is off-topic.

I don't know whether you are a Turk or foreigner living in Turkey but how people react to a foreigner (even tough you are living in Turkey for a while) and to Turkish citizen is totally different.

So, in my opinion, everyone should ride / drive more carefully as people are more reckless and tense and aggressive on the roads. It is not bad advice to tell people to be more careful on the roads in Turkey.

As of state of emergency, it is Turkey-wide and you can find many articles about it and its effects on Turkey by googling.

Cheers,
Ozgur
That is sad as Turkey is my favorite country, I am not a fan of the bureaucracy, or the boarder crossing or the police for that matter, I stop living here because it's expensive now and almost impossible to run a business as a foreigner. But I'll be back this year as I know I will get no trouble in the mountains. Last year I did see many people at all, around Ararat they were mainly Kurds.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: I S T
Posts: 655
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by kobold View Post
Hi Sammy,

If you know Turkish, you can make a google search to find that even 2 days ago, people got arrested and released in Armenian border. (for having a picnic, or catching fish according to news outlets). These happened to Turkish people and Armenians and people from other nationalities. It is a tense region.

As captainktm told, you can get arrested by either side. (and probably released.) But DO YOU want to spend your holiday or your visit dealing with these kind of risks?

You are really living in Turkey??? I see police or military presence in every city entrance. I live in Ankara, I was born in Ankara and lived here for here for all of my life and I can tell you that it is very different than 5,10,15 years ago but it is off-topic. Even if it is not off-topic, as many people in Turkey, i am afraid of telling what I think and feel on internet.

I can assure you at least in Ankara, people were much more respectful to each other on traffic. People obeyed the most of the traffic rules. Nowadays, nobody obeys the traffic lights, one way streets, nobody uses turn signals, respects no parking zones, pedestrians, speed limits. (including me). Many people does not get any fine. A few weeks ago, school service drivers did get into gunfight with each other in traffic.

I could tell you the reasons why people are more tense but i still think it is off-topic.

I don't know whether you are a Turk or foreigner living in Turkey but how people react to a foreigner (even tough you are living in Turkey for a while) and to Turkish citizen is totally different.

So, in my opinion, everyone should ride / drive more carefully as people are more reckless and tense and aggressive on the roads. It is not bad advice to tell people to be more careful on the roads in Turkey.

As of state of emergency, it is Turkey-wide and you can find many articles about it and its effects on Turkey by googling.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Hı Ozgur,

As you mentioned most of the things you said are

Original thread and question was safety and the places to avoid ın Turkiye.

If you don't feel safe in Ankara may be you have some special situation. I am Turkish origin, born and raised in Turkiye. Was in Erzurum, Ardahan and Kars last week. Haven't met any securiy problems. Haven't met any security forces, even at the Armenian border.

May be in some areas security is tighter as it should be. Conflict continues within Syria along the border. So just stay away and you are all safe.

By the way planning a trip with my family to Gaziantep, Hatay, Şanlıurfa, Mardin, Midyat, Cizre and Diyarbakır which you may find "dangereous".
Life of my family and kids are not less important than any others nor I am not stupid.

Obeying rules while driving is an attitude and shows the cultural and educational level of a person and is not related to safety or the places to be avoided.

Samy
__________________
"where the traveller goes, nobody knows ! "
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turkey
Posts: 59
Hi Samy,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samy View Post
Hı Ozgur,

As you mentioned most of the things you said are

Original thread and question was safety and the places to avoid ın Turkiye.
I am sorry but I don't agree. I tried to avoid in my both posts. My first post was about safety and which places to avoid. My second post is still about the border, state of emergency and replies to your questions you asked after my post. So, in my opinion it is on-topic.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Samy View Post

If you don't feel safe in Ankara may be you have some special situation.
I don't have any special situation but I still don't feel safe.

There is a state of emergency Turkey-wide. It is a fact.

And by definition, in many constitutions, during state of emergency, your basics rights and freedoms can be restricted by state. It is same in Turkish constitution. I told him about this fact.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samy View Post

I am Turkish origin, born and raised in Turkiye. Was in Erzurum, Ardahan and Kars last week. Haven't met any securiy problems. Haven't met any security forces, even at the Armenian border.

May be in some areas security is tighter as it should be. Conflict continues within Syria along the border. So just stay away and you are all safe.
Yep, I told to avoid Syrian border area and Armenian border.

Personally, I would avoid places near the Syrian border after the missile attacks to Kilis and Reyhanli.

As about Armenian border, I hosted many people in Ankara from different countries during their motorcycle trips and some of them had problems on Armenian border as captainktm. So, I advise avoiding Armenian border, not Kars, Erzurum or Ardahan. I will visit those places hopefully this summer by motorcycle but I will avoid Armenian Border.

May be I did not express myself well. I hope this is much more clear and this is my advise.

Do not camp, have picnic etc. somewhere in the vicinity of the Armenian Border. Do not go off-road around the border or do similar activities near the actual Armenian border. There is a higher chance of getting arrested instead of military, telling you that "this is a restricted area, so leave."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samy View Post

By the way planning a trip with my family to Gaziantep, Hatay, Şanlıurfa, Mardin, Midyat, Cizre and Diyarbakır which you may find "dangereous".
Life of my family and kids are not less important than any others nor I am not stupid.
I never said or implied you are stupid or you don't feel concerns about the safety of your loved ones. If you felt something like that from what I wrote, I am sorry.

Have a safe trip.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samy View Post

Obeying rules while driving is an attitude and shows the cultural and educational level of a person and is not related to safety or the places to be avoided.

Samy
I am sorry but I don't agree. It is very much related with safety. Traffic is a big safety issue. At least for me it is a big safety issue while riding my bike. I still stand behind my words. These days drivers are more reckless, aggressive, tense and it would be better to more careful and ride more defensively.

These are my opinions. You might not agree. I respect that and I am sorry if I offended you in any personal sense, it was not my intention.

Then we can agree to disagree on these matters.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 8
Hi All,

thanks for your replies and the discussion, I will try to avoid the mentioned areas.
As kobald mentioned I also think that there is a state of emergency Turkey-wide.

I just want you to ask a personal question:
Do Turkish people ask foreign travels what they think about current political regime or situation?
If so, should you answer such a question?
Or how can you be polite and don't get everyone mad near to you?

I totally understand that for Turkish people such questions/discussions can cause problems.
Feel free to answer this or send me a PM.

kind regards
Lukas
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: I S T
Posts: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by lukinoway View Post
Hi All,

I just want you to ask a personal question:
Do Turkish people ask foreign travels what they think about current political regime or situation?
If so, should you answer such a question?
Or how can you be polite and don't get everyone mad near to you?

I totally understand that for Turkish people such questions/discussions can cause problems.
Feel free to answer this or send me a PM.

kind regards
Lukas
If someone ask that question, simply tell them: "I am visiting Turkiye for touristic purposes. War is not good though Turkiye has right to defend itself. But I am not into politics. So I try to enjoy my trip as much as possible".

So, no problem and enjoy your ride.
__________________
"where the traveller goes, nobody knows ! "
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: I S T
Posts: 655
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by kobold View Post

These are my opinions. You might not agree. I respect that and I am sorry if I offended you in any personal sense, it was not my intention.

Then we can agree to disagree on these matters.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Hi Ozgur,

I respect people as far as they respect me in return. No need to feel sorry, I don't feel offended.

We all know Turkiye is not a steady country now. Having difficult times. This politics and not so nice to discuss here and sure we can't persuade each other. We all have our own thinking and the way of life. I am more on the people who say the half of the glass is full; let's say more optimistic.
Pessimism is like cancer, widens very fast and dangereous.

Infact whole world facing with serious problems. For me it is like pain for the birth of new baby.

I believe after some time, everything will be better.

__________________
"where the traveller goes, nobody knows ! "
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16 Feb 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Turkey
Posts: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by lukinoway View Post
Hi All,

thanks for your replies and the discussion, I will try to avoid the mentioned areas.
As kobald mentioned I also think that there is a state of emergency Turkey-wide.

I just want you to ask a personal question:
Do Turkish people ask foreign travels what they think about current political regime or situation?
If so, should you answer such a question?
Or how can you be polite and don't get everyone mad near to you?

I totally understand that for Turkish people such questions/discussions can cause problems.
Feel free to answer this or send me a PM.

kind regards
Lukas
Hi Lukas,

Usually people do not ask about those things but if they ask, if you want to be on the safe side, say you don’t know much about the situation and you don’t have an opinion and change the subject.

If your route passes through Ankara, I would like to buy you and meal.

Cheers,
Ozgur
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 19 Mar 2018
DK DK is offline
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by lukinoway View Post
I just want you to ask a personal question:
Do Turkish people ask foreign travels what they think about current political regime or situation?
If so, should you answer such a question?
Or how can you be polite and don't get everyone mad near to you?
Don't know if you're here, or have long gone, but the most common questions are...

1. How much does the bike cost?
2. How fast does it go?



If you do get asked about politics and don't want to answer then just think of a way to swerve the conversation...tell them you love the country, people, kebabs etc.. Say some choice words in Turkish like 'Turkiye cok (chock) guzel' (Turkey is beautiful) locals love it when foreigners have a crack at the lingo. I'm sure you'll work it out.

I'm in Istanbul, gimme a heads up if you need anything
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 20 Mar 2018
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 164
travellers asked for opinion

This thread has taken a slight twist that probably will interest all travellers.

How do you deal with locals who pointedly ask your opinion about their country and politics?

I have several times realised that the conversation was not as innocent as I thought to begin with, and when authorities paranoia for foriegners seeps down to street level securityforces you can be in real trouble.

One young lady I met in Syria '09 said
"The only place you open your mouth in Syria is at the dentist"
She was right, I kept on being "interviewed" by ham-fisted security people, part of their action is to try to discourage you from talking to locals by making you suspicious of everyone. I have experienced this in several countries,

Ha ha DK, how many times have I heard


1. How much does the bike cost?
2. How fast does it go?

But it is a good opener for talking to people, which can lead to so many good experiences.

Safe travels

Peter, in Oslo
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 20 Mar 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Poland
Posts: 55
I crossed Turkey last summer, entered from Greece in Ipsala and traveled all the way East to Georgia in Vale. I haven't had the slightest issue.

Most people are friendly and tolerant - more than what I'm used to. Maybe one or 2 incidents where the guy looked down at me and asked why I don't speak Turkish. However, let's be honest, a Turkish rider would probably have more incidents while traveling across Europe... We are certainly not a model of tolerance in those times of extreme right-wing revival all across Europe.

Unless you're gifted with foreign languages, I doubt you'll ever get involved in a talk about politics. I indeed found English little useful in Turkey, I had to reactivate my basic German in order to be able to communicate.

Otherwise my rule is I don't talk about politics (and sensitive topics) with people I don't know. If someone asks, I just say I'm a traveler and I'm not into politics.

Roads in Turkey are very good, traffic can be a bit chaotic but that's nothing compared to Georgia

Have a great trip!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
turkey


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Current Situation in Turkey cu260r6 Europe 2 21 May 2016 07:52
2015 - Heading east from Europe, add your itinerary / plans kim Travellers Seeking Travellers 190 5 Mar 2016 07:38
current situation in east Turkey = Agri and Dogubayzit derJosh Europe 20 30 Dec 2015 22:31
Notes from a September 2011 ride through Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Greece PanEuropean Europe 35 3 Jul 2015 13:28
What is the current state of the Tizi-n-Test pass? Mark hadley Morocco 3 6 Jan 2015 18:42

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

2025:

  • Queensland is back! Date TBC - May?

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:42.