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Thanks to you both for the advice and clarification - we certainly will be heading for Kroscienko rather than Medyka!

Sambor - we are not fixed to a route and have a reasonable amount of time so a tour of the mountains would be great too! We are greatly looking forward to Poland and have friends in Wroclaw. Do you know of any rock-climbing in the Bieszczady mountain area?

Ghost Rider - thanks for the advice. Do you have any thoughts on the Ukraine - places to visit, camp sites for a Unimog (!!?), places to avoid etc which you could share with us. We would like to avoid too many big cities but are planning a visit to Lviv and Kyiv before heading down to Modovia. Also were you rough camping? and if so, did you have any trouble?

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Crossing Hungary to Ukraine
cant remember which border we crossed at and it was memmorable but not for the best of reasons. We just stayed cool and when the officials asked for money we just kept smilin and acted dumb. It wasnt pleasant but got throu eventually. After going thru Russia Kazakhstan Kyrgustan ans Tajikistan you sort of get used to them, but it nothing to worry about just accept it will take a while and some of them may try there luck. Youll feel better equiped to deal with them in the future. After all thats why youre going there.

Camping wise we always slept rough with no problem... we tended to start looking for somewhere at about 2pm and stopped when we saw a nice spot. Check the map for a natural feature like a river lake or mountain. To me this is the best part of the day when you can kick back and enjoy the place youre travelling thru. Watch out for the police!!!! no more than 50 kmh near towns but there wont be any signs....you will get stopped..alot or maybe that was just our experience....i enjoyed Ukraine just try and take a step to the right and enjoy.

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Watch out for the police!!!! no more than 50 kmh near towns but there wont be any signs....you will get stopped..alot or maybe that was just our experience
Tim, you've hit the nail on the head here. The problem with Ukraine is that you're never sure when you're in the town/village limits, and therefore in a 60 km/h zone (not 50 km/h, unlike the rest of Europe), HOWEVER, my experience is that every time the Police are out, almost ALL oncoming traffic flashed their lights as a warning.

Tip of the day for the Ukraine:

The police always set their hidden radar traps in the 60 km/h zones. If oncoming vehicles are flashing their lights, slow down to 60, even if you're not sure what the speed limit is.
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Ghost Rider - thanks for the advice. Do you have any thoughts on the Ukraine - places to visit, camp sites for a Unimog (!!?), places to avoid etc which you could share with us. We would like to avoid too many big cities but are planning a visit to Lviv and Kyiv before heading down to Modovia. Also were you rough camping? and if so, did you have any trouble?
Hi Kate,

First of all, I must confess that I've gone soft in my old age and that camping is now a thing of the past for me (and my back!), so I can't advise you here. One thing I did notice in the Ukraine is that there are very few roadside motels, which meant heading into town to find (often expensive!) hotels.

Secondly, although I rather liked the Ukraine, I didn't really do it justice - i was basically on my way home from Moldova, and not wanting to upset the Moldovan authorities by re-entering without an exit stamp (I made the mistake of entering Ukraine via Transnistria), Ukraine was basically my only option, although I would dearly like to visit again and spend more time there.

Although you say you would like to avoid too many cities, L'viv is nice and has a very attractive old town. Odessa is most definitely on my list of places to revisit, this is an absolutely wonderful city, with lots to offer. Unfortunately, the rest was passed at a somewhat hectic pace. ONe of these day, I should get around to creeating a blog on this very site to share some experiences and pictures - a job for the winter months maybe.
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Sambor - we are not fixed to a route and have a reasonable amount of time so a tour of the mountains would be great too! We are greatly looking forward to Poland and have friends in Wroclaw. Do you know of any rock-climbing in the Bieszczady mountain area?
There are no rock-climbing areas in Bieszczady. These mountains are green, very wild and unhibited. If you love to rock-climbing Tatras are better option. Also Gorgan mountains in Ukraine. I have visited Ukraine many times and I suggest Czarnohora mountains as a best place to visit by Unimog. You will be suprised meeting people who live there. Beautifull mountains, clean water, safe... You can camp anywhere and there is a lot of dirty roads dedicated to your vehicle...

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