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What's the big deal if they were to implement these changes? It all sounds a bit silly, I agree, but so what? Bureaucracy is silly..... but then it always has been. And if these these changes are brought in then you're gonna have to live wth it anyway. Yes, you can voice your discontent until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna change anything. If they wanna do it they'll do it. Until it happens don't worry about it, and if it happens then you produce your passport (or whatever else) if asked. We all know that governments the world over do things that some/most people don't like. It's hardly worth getting too excited about. Surely there are other more important things happening in the world (or indeed our own lives!) that you CAN influence so it might be an idea to focus on those first.

Keep the toys in the pram in the meantime though!! lol

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What's the big deal if they were to implement these changes? It all sounds a bit silly, I agree, but so what? Bureaucracy is silly..... but then it always has been. And if these these changes are brought in then you're gonna have to live wth it anyway. Yes, you can voice your discontent until you're blue in the face but it ain't gonna change anything. If they wanna do it they'll do it.

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It's easier to resist now than wait until you have to show your ID to buy groceries.

Actually, that's a point. They can already look at our visa bills, so why bother making a queue for silly bits of paper and plastic at the ferry terminals? Do they think people who buy guns using used tenners show their own passport? Of course, when said bits of plastic and paper cost £80 a time and only last 10 years and you are the only legal supplier, then you can afford to watch the adult channel as much as you like (or will you go blind? ).

Don't worry MI5 use software that searches out keywords and phrases like bomb, Brown, sniper scope, resistance and so on. So long as we don't use those we are fine. Ooops, seem to have set off a few alarms there.

Of course, if you read your terrorists/freedom fighters handbook as supplied by the British government in 1940 and available in any city library, you'll see it's suggested that you don't use said key words. You should refer to "using the equipment from the dispatch department on our favourite customers order before..." not... well you work it out.

Morons trying to preserve their pointless jobs by ripping off the sheep, pure and simple.

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Fastship's last warning about sharing of data bases was reasonable. The law has been delayed. So action is effective. In that case we have a second chance to lose freedoms as the paper will come back for politicians' consideration. It's odd how Brits will take up arms against invasion and resulting fascist laws. But they won't lift a finger against the British government bringing in the same level of and type of laws as AH might have after Unternemung Seeloewen. ( Nazi invasion of UK). We'll be able to avoid learning German but the difference otherwise is really very small. Linzi.
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If all this kind of policy implementation and other rights infringements worry you: have a look at a docu-film.

Its called Zeitgeist. Google it.

I won't say that its got me convinced on all fronts, buts its a very interesting view.

£ parts, dealing with the myths, allegations and facts and how they interact:Oganised religion, 911, and the world financial organism, if you can call it that. Its 2 hours long a takes a bit to start, but worth the watch...
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It's no biggy.

Where I live, I wouldn't even go down the shops without my ID.
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A few years ago, I used to have Spanish lodgers in my house (my gf at the time was Spanish). Once we'd picked them up from the airport and they were settled into their bedroom, they'd all ask if I could take them to the police station so that they could register their prescence. Some of them took quite some convincing of the fact that this is not (currently) necessary in Britain. And that they didn't need to carry around an identity card at all times. They had all grown up with these aspects of a police state so didn't question them.

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Where I live, I wouldn't even go down the shops without my ID.
Unless like Linzi you are being ironic, then I put it to you that you have acquiesced to the police state. Without even realising it.
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