Hi all,
I'm a newbie on this site and pick up my new pride and joy (06 Yamaha TTR250) Wednesday.
After all the research and dredging all the available websites it was down to that or a Suzuki DRZ 250. Smaller machines have a peculiar appeal.
So my first question:
Given the popularity of small adventure style bikes and the availability of light weight clothing, tents, sleeping bags etc Why do people not use a back-pack to store all their gear?
Given the TTR is small I will be looking at a bumbag (tools etc) a small rear dry sack and a waterproof back-pack.
Given all that I still have to try and pack it all in...and yes I would like to be self sufficient and carry cooking gear.
Travelling small and light in Oz is a real option. Also intend to carry fishing gear (another passion of mine)
No trips planned as yet as I need to get the bike (and myself) prepared.
Oh yeah, the GPS is purchased and ready to be wired up, as is the auxiliary 12v power supply.

Cheers.
Julian.

I travelled around Asia with a backpack strapped to the rear of the bike, it worked great but I was only carrying 20 litres and no Camping equipment.

Sounds like you will be carrying more, if the weight builds up you need to carry it as low as possible.

Pack everything and go for a few test rides, see how it feels. Hard luggage gives added security but you can always arrive at your destination and keep your backpack with you or dump it in the hotel then go off exploring. When you stop for food keep the bike in sight.

Hi there
I assume you mean a pack on your back....
I can think of several reasons backpacks aren't used often.
You are raising the center of gravity and making you and the bike more unstable.
You will be putting much more strain on your back muscles, and your arms.
If you fell off, the extra weight would add to your mass, and perhaps cause you more injury, and more damage to the equipment in the backpack.You say you would carry cooking equipment, I wouldn't fancy landing on my back on top of a stove.
Traveling in any hot weather would make your back sweaty, and cause chaffing and sores where the shoulder straps rubbed.
I guess few other travelers use backpacks for the same reasons.

cheap and light traveling gear is exacty righy... less is more...
considering a max weight pack of 20Kg may 25Kg incl 9L. of water strapped to a parcel carrier on a 250cc to 650cc class Enduro bike is perfect. A Rucksack of 34L. to 45L. will do just fine.

I use one of this water tight £30 as 34L. army style rucksack (one main compartment with two added side pockets) "strapped flat" on the parcel carrier that is extended by one of this "Turatech parcel-carrier ally plates" on my KTM LC4, a bumbag for my personal stuff like camera and small tools, a 3L. Camelback on my Back and a 6L. MSR water sack straped some where else. The rucksack contains a "Shimano exage ax stc mini telescopic spinning rod 2.1m" incl a small box-4x5inch for all that fishing hooks, Basha, cooking gear, food like sugar, tea, oil and dry stuff is stored in "platypus" folding bottles, one bottle of all purpose liquid soap for all your needs like "washing up, bath/shower, helping tyres on to the wheel", and the best of all, it even fit a Hennessy-hammock that way there is no need for a tent or sleeping mat, no pegs or poles are needed, bugs and mossies can't get you either at night. The sleeping bag is strapped on top of the rucksack. That way it will give free movement riding off road with ease let you have all the movements you need like standing up on the pegs and drifting not even noticing the gear you carrying, and you need less fuel, being more air-dynamically compare to this big chunky ally coffins.
Tyre tools like long leaver and air pump are wrapped water tight in a peace of old rear tyre tube and cable tied to the rear frame.

Now the benefit of having a small pack is that "if" and that can happened easily, "if" you come of your bike or it just falling over some how, there would be no damage to your gear, no dent in your expensive pannier boxes any more and easy to pick up again. Specially riding in the heat and sand it will make a big difference being on a "small-foot-print" without getting exhausted instantly or need to rely on a helping hand. Nor do you need to alter any suspension setup just use the std. as you would ride as normal for a quick spin....
If you worried about security... just take every thing off the bike at ones and park your bike bare naked over night if you rest in a small hotel or hostel... the rucksack with 25Kg is easy to carry on your back if not riding like any other backpacker would run around, that way you travel light and easy. I would not even think about riding and having a big rucksack on my back, rather let my bike carrying the load just fixed by a few straps... but consider extending the parcel carrier a bit to prevent the rucksack from sliding and wiggling around.

I guess many people believe they have to carry more than they a actual need at the end.... and I mean "think about what you really NEED" forget your "toys" let the toys at home and reduce every thing to your essentials only and you find that this 20-25Kg rule for your pack is just right.
Well there is one exception to that rule.. "depending on your trip and where you want to go and how long"... a fishing rod is not needed in the desert but very handy in Scandinavia for getting some extra food supplies....

On the other hand... the "Outdoor-live-style-shops" make us believe that we need all this fancy crap, a special item for some special purpose and have to travel styled up to impress other travelers and pose with all that adventures gear.... wonder why so many travelers get robbed and hit by reality for exact that reason.... well... that way it keeps the economy flow of rich countries up and running I presume...

spooky

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The trouble is that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish.

Backpack will do fine, especially for Oz.

Bill's right, you do need more strength as you'll be supporting more weight, but overall I think control improves because the bike becomes more managable. For explanation of this opinion, consider that standing up on the pegs increases control, even though the CoG of the bike-rider system is now higher.

Depends mostly on what sort of riding you want to do, alloy panniers and packing everything on the bike favours a more long-distance, border-crossing, foreign city, less off-road approach. Carrying a backpack with most of your camping gear in it favours a more off-road, wilderness approach.

I met a man in Warburton who rode the CSR unsupported, on a TTR600. He was carrying all his camping gear and food on his back, a good 30 or 40 kg, and a bumbag tool roll. All he had strapped to the bike was fuel, water, a tent and his sleeping bag (fuel and water strapped low on the sides and the bulky, but light, tent and bag on top).

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Years ago when first getting into travel I too thought carrying stuff in a backpack on my back might be handy. After trying it I soon discarded the idea as totally impractical and very uncomfortable. After a short while the constant pressure , pinching and chafing,bouncing around of the load get to be torture.Not to mention the irritation of sweat trapped under the rubbing clothes.Then the part about having to unload it every time you stop, securing it to the bike ..
Best to just tie the backpack to the bike in the first place. Or hoqw about packing all your less frequently used supplies in a waterproof bag or wrap and tieing the backpack on top of that so you can uitlize the various pockets and compartments for the items you need to access frquently. Just leave the tent out of all the packing so it can air out.

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Hi Julian. I made the mistake of carrying a loaded backpack on my back for a long trip only once! It was a long pack so when I sat down, the top was higher than my head, and acted as a wind-sock. At the end of the day, my arms were about 15cm longer....

Truely, if you use a backpack (and plenty of people have) lay it down on the back of the bike either across or in line if it fits that way, to get the weight lower. It DOES need to be low. I have used the excellent Hallmark (now Ventura) pack frames on many of my bikes, and even then, how well you get the heavy stuff low makes a noticeable difference to the handling. If you ride very far off tarmac, you WILL be standing a lot on the footpegs. The extra 20-25kgs will tire you out, and reduce your ability to throw your body around to get over the really knarley stuff. The other advantage of having the pack strapped to the back is that you have something to lean back against.

Even with a pack, I would be looking out for a cheap set of second hand fabric throw-over panniers on Ebay. They work find and really do protect the bike in an "off" without taking your leg with them. I have three sets, picked up for bugger all over the years that I am always lending to new bike travelers.

But the main thing is that you get out there and do it. No matter how you plan it or pack it, someone has done it before the same way and succeeded.

Kind regards

Nigel in NZ

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A backpack on the back of the bike is fine. I used it in the past too.
The disadvantage (in my opinion) of all soft luggage is that it can not easy be locked like alu paniers or even a plastic topcase. It is a safe idea that your stuff is not taken away to easy when you are in a restaurant or shop or sightseing a nice town.
If someone realy wants it, it is hard to stop them but I make it less easy so I hope they pick an easier victim.
(When you are chased by a tiger, you don't have to outrun the tiger, just the other guy)

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Nope. It's lower, on the assumption that the rider is attempting to keep on top of a wobbling bike. EG If the bike was banked over at 30 degrees, the rider would adjust to upright* and apply their full weight at the pegs against this action. If they don't take action and went with the bike then yes you are correct! I suspect you know this and meant that the additional weight of the backpack therefore helps to keep the overall CoG lower when stood up, even though it raises it whenever the rider is sitting on the seat / not balancing around. Nit-picking I know!!

*CoG only matters if the object is leaning - eg it doesn't matter in a tower, until it starts to topple. Keep the tower upright, and the weight is still being applied at the ground (and in our example, adding the weight of the rider to the bike at the pegs).

Anyhow, I always wear my backpack/camelpack. Water, maps, a fleece, and my super-important bike docs. I actually don't like the feeling of riding without it! I've taken a few on/offroad tumbles, and I'd say that if you're going fast enough for a small backpack to be a problem, you've got bigger problems.

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I used it and had no problems...I put the heavier stuff in my saddlebags and the bulkier stuff in the backpack...strapped it down with crating straps BMW uses to tie down their bikes when shipped from factory...they're free at dealers and can hold down close to 250kgs each...guaranteed...I did it...not a big issue...keep the weight low and as close to center(between the wheels) as possible...

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I frequently use a backpack on trips, just don't wear it when you are riding - you'll be sore within an hour, and it's very unsafe. If you've ever fallen with a backpack while hiking, you'll know it's much worse than it sounds, and falling off a bike with the thing at any speed would be bad news. Security for your stuff is an issue, but if it's a questionable locale, I just carry the stuff along - it is, after all, a backpack!

we all steer motorcycles with our heads, in the end, by looking where we want to go and then transferring body weight. you don´t want anything impeding that freedom of movenent, and a backpack does just that.

high centre of gravity (COG) is bad any time but even worse off road. consider that motocrossers and enduro riders throw their legs out and forwards as they sit into corners in order to have more weight down, forward and inside the corner, to get better front- wheel grip, adn you understand how small changes to COG make a big difference.

a backpack would be even moer hassle if it was loose and able to move around independently of rider and bike. like, dangerous. and who wants a backpack tied tightly to them any time? sweaty and icky. like plenty have said.

when you stand up on the footpegs of a bike, most of the increase of control, especially at speed, is due to the fact that you can keep your head and body stable while the bike wobbles around under you, doing its thing according to road surface and all that. fix the weight firmly to the bike and let it vibrate, slew adn wobble, but keep yourself free of weight and stable.

for other soft luggage ideas, check out andy strapz. well made stuf.
cheers,
andy (not the strapz bloke)

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man, you are clearly an experienced rider!
but ttrkiwi is clearly asking his question from the point of view of less experience. let´s help him ride safely. every chance he has not yet pulled a wheelie (or might be practicing as we speak!), so let´s not encourage him to ull his first ones with a backpack on.

cheers, nice photos, too.
see you in the sand,
andy.

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Andy,
Great description of how dirt bikes work,

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quite apart from all the other answers why backpacks worn on a bike are not a great idea, i once had the wind blow open my rucksack and suck out all my college coursework, an expensive (to a student) PDA, and my packed lunch.

20 years later i still cant decide which i was more upset about losing......

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