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There have been nooomerous threads on this subject, each time different parties extoling the virtues of one sort of luggage or another.
Have a look via the search option and you'll see what I mean.
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Ive seen a few threads, but if travelling in Eastern Europe, how do people keep soft panniers secure - do they take them everywhere they go if there leeaving their bikes for an hour or two??? cheers, Rob
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Ive seen a few threads, but if travelling in Eastern Europe, how do people keep soft panniers secure - do they take them everywhere they go if there leeaving their bikes for an hour or two??? cheers, Rob
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To be honest, do you really think risks to your bags are much lower in London, Paris, Madrid etc...? Take whatever precautions you would in any of those cities and you should be OK...
However, that is one reason why I like hard luggage....
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I have used both hard and soft luggage over the years both as they say have different advantages and disadvantages. The reality I think is well designed and good quality soft luggage is in most cases better than Hard luggage for overland travel. its Lighter, less prone to vibration damage (including your stuff inside),easier to repair in most places of the world including at the roadside by yourself with thread, needle or laces. It sits better and closer to the bike and can easily be moved forward / backward and adjusted for different riding conditions. The security aspect of hard luggage is largely in the mind almost all hard luggage can be opened or removed from the bike with nothing more than a screwdriver or small jemmy - the locking systems are simply not well or strong enough designed to put off a thief - but they do look very attractive and shout at prospective thieves - expensive / wealthy / goodies. dirty dusty muddy soft luggage does not have the same appeal and with a simple cable lock or mesh bag can be as, if not more secure. even the most expensive soft luggae is well below the price of hard stuff.
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I agree with adventure 950 they have different advantages and disadvantages it's up to you what you will choots and what you like it'll be kind of compromise any how.
I built my own system for offroad use and works fine so far.
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There have been nooomerous threads on this subject, each time different parties extoling the virtues of one sort of luggage or another.
Have a look via the search option and you'll see what I mean.
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I've been struggling to stop posting similar suggestions every time the same old topics come up as if earlier discussions had never happened. Sigh.
But now I find myself wondering anew: has anyone had direct experience of hard cases being broken into? I hear quite often about soft bags being slashed, sometimes in unexpected places, but I never hear about hard cases being burgled, despite the undeniable truth that this could be easily accomplished with your average rock, screwdriver or scrap of steel.
Anyone?
Mark
(confirmed user of hard cases: two rear, two front, one topbox...currently worry-free in Uruguay)
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But now I find myself wondering anew: has anyone had direct experience of hard cases being broken into?
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Maybe the "mystery-man". The same guy who broke his leg when it got trapped under his boxes?
I stick with boxes, at least on longish trips.
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Mystery Man?
 No mystery. Where to start on this? How about here?
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And never trust this liar either, I'm sure he made it all up:
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Over the years I've heard dozens of stories of Hard panniers breaking legs, ankles and feet. I think most of us have. I've witnessed one crash where the bag did damage to pillion.
But as everyone says .... and it is true ... bags can also save you if you get your legs out of the way and let the bag take the hit.
Not everyone is so lucky. 
I hurt my leg when paddling a GS BMW is sand, and my ankle whacked into the pannier. My fault, nothing broken but a good warning. (good boots saved me)
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Yes, yes. I've read (and posted) all I care to about legs and ankles broken or not broken by hard cases in falls. I was asking specifically about break-ins, because I don't recall ever hearing of any. Then again, my memory is not what I once imagined it to be.
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It looks like you start a bit earlier then you stopped last time: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ardcases-46765
With all respect to Ted Simmon he was an old guy who crashed at the Moyale road in muddy conditions using road-tires when driving an overloaded BMW...
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Wow, they are cute at that age.
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Quote; And never trust this liar either, I'm sure he made it all up:
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Sorry to go off topic here but again I must question your unnecessary strong vocal opinions and unsubstantiated comments.:confused1:
Mickey D- what is it with you ? you call Ted Simon a liar - in this thread in a previous thread you slag off and try to discredit Sam Manicom I know you do not know nor have met Sam, I don't know if you have met Ted, Yet again i know many people who would vouch for Ted's pleasant and friendly manner - maybe in his writing he used artistic license - that I do not know. But to me its all a bit odd - they (Sam and Ted ) do not appear to me to be the ones with the problem.
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Sorry to go off topic here but again I must question your unnecessary strong vocal opinions and unsubstantiated comments.:confused1:
Mickey D- what is it with you ? you call Ted Simon a liar - in this thread in a previous thread you slag off and try to discredit Sam Manicom I know you do not know nor have met Sam, I don't know if you have met Ted, Yet again i know many people who would vouch for Ted's pleasant and friendly manner - maybe in his writing he used artistic license - that I do not know. But to me its all a bit odd - they (Sam and Ted ) do not appear to me to be the ones with the problem.
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I think you've not followed on with the thread here mate. My post was in response to Ali's who questioned whether anyone has ever had a leg broken by a hard pannier, and referred to them as "mystery men", which is to imply they don't exist, which, obviously, isn't true. (you follow?)
My point was to show many have, in fact, had their legs broken by panniers and the two examples I sited illustrate this. Have you not ever read Ted Simon? Please go back and review.
My SARCASTIC reply (the liar part) actually inferred the opposite of what you were thinking, as we both know Ted is a very reliable source for authentic information .... the story of his broken leg in his book after all. World Rider (Allan) is a BMW F650 riding friend who had his pannier break his leg in Bolivia, that is the link to his 200 page ride report on ADV rider.
Sorry if you missed my intention here. This is my fault for not being more clear. Sometimes irony and sarcasm are lost online. Now add American "Humor", and there you have it.
I actually have met Ted. At one of this presentations. Great guy. I think I replied to your questions regarding my opinions of Manicom in another thread. Should we review? 
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It's the unanswerable question. A luggage version of "BMW or Honda". All I can tell you is, after 50,000 miles of Metal Mules (bought when they were half the price they are now), I like boxes. I have regularly left them on the bike outside the hotel, in 4 continents, and have never had anything stolen.
But I still think - maybe next time, soft luggage, for lightness. Maybe I will. But the psychological advantage of a locked metal box, which I have happily left in Mexico City or Nairobi while I get a coffee, tends to prevail.
I like the idea that small, soft luggage stops you taking a mountain of crap you don't need. But I also like taking a mountain of crap. You just need a bigger bike.
Maybe that's the answer? If I was going across Africa on a 650 single again, I'd lean towards soft luggage. On a bigger bike, in a place with better roads, I'd probably go for boxes.
Final thought - I suspect that my boxes stopped me getting a broken leg in Kenya in 2005. But I don't think the luggage is the issue, usually. It's the fact that you're riding a motorbike and falling off it. It just depends which bit of your vehicle lands on your leg.
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My point was to show many have, in fact, had their legs broken by panniers and the two examples I sited illustrate this.
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Well, what I mean is that the danger with hard boxes are exaggerated and I think that when you have to use an old guy who crashed at the Moyale "road" in muddy conditions using road-tires and light boots when driving an overloaded BMW you prove my point.
As you say Ted Simon switched to soft luggage, he did so in Australia but he crashed in Kenya(!!). In Australia he also send home his camping-gear and lot of other stuff. I totally agree with him; when you have send home most of your stuff you don't need the boxes.
I haven't read the story you referred to. Reading 122 pages on Adv is not my kind of fun.
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Ok, here is my experience riding my k100 around the world with givi rack and cases - e45 models - (all right, almost everything in that sentence is suggesting that things will go wrong...):
- Syria, major fall, one of the side cases damaged.
- Jordan, major fall, nothing broken, but the structure was weakened
- Turkey, major fall (lost the front grip after 80km on snow...snow piled up between the mud thing and the tyre, and blocked the tyre). One case lock exploded, the rack broke, and it got too -20° before the first car passed by and stopped;
- Turkmenistan, off road border crossing to Kazakhstan (no choice on that one); front wheel on sand, put the foot on the ground to get the bike back up. Huge pain on ankle, which was finally just twisted. It got painful for a couple of weeks.
- Laos, off road with a side car since Kazakhstan: the left foot trapped under the case, the knee hits the engine badly. Could not walk for two days, big bad bruise.
Now, well, it's your call. But i'm going for soft luggage on the side, and a hard top case. And anyway, if someone is really up to stealing something from you, a metal lock is not really going to stop him, is it?
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