Hi all,

MSR company has a tent which looks very light and efficient for 3 seasons called Hubba Hubba.

Looks good, just fine but practically ?
I think it is not fro winter at all.

http://www.msrcorp.com/tents/hubbahubba.asp

Anybody has experience about it?

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Hi Samy,
Unfortunately the industry standard of rating tents by 'season' is bloody silly. I often find my tent has to put up with far more trying conditions in summer. It's then that you often have summer storms battering the poor thing within an inch of it's life. Whereas winter can just as easily be calm and peaceful.
The thing to ask yourself is "What type of camping will I be doing?" If you are camping in generally low level, reasonably sheltered conditions then this tent will be fine.
Higher altitude and exposed situations will require a four 'season' (grrr...) tent.
Also ask yourself what the temps. are going to be like. Hot weather will mean a tent with an inner with mucho mesh (like this one) is good, but this will be cold in cooler conditions.
I'd venture to say this tent would be more than adequate for the use 99% of people would put it to.
Matt

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IMO 4th season = snow. Not many tents rated for snow to desert.

I've a hubba hubba.
Suffers from condensation. Need to guy it so as there is a gap to provide better ventilation. So I'd say it need 4 pegs in teh ground .. not exactly peg free, but you could get away with 2 pegs or rocks to take the vestiables out.

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I come from long distance hiking (hiked over 10,000miles) to touring and I work at a gear shop and own a hubba hubba.

My thoughts on the hubba hubba:
1. Great lightweight tent.
2. The fly of the tent MUST be FULLY stacked out if there is any chance of rain. This is because if you notice the “tub” (the waterproof fabric that is the floor and sides) does not come up high enough on the sides. With very little rain and wind, if the tent is not FULLY stacked out, you will get a lot of splash due to the low walls of the tub (aka water in your tent)

I disagree with the condensation comment. The body of the tent is nearly all mesh and the fly has plenty of venting if fully stacked out. The condensation “problem” is no where close to the “problems” you will have with other tents. [[stay away from THE NORTH FACE ultralight series (spectrums, vector, dyad, and solo) unless you want to see REAL condensation problems.]]

As for 3 season vrs 4 season comments: I think you would be very hard pressed to find a place where you NEED a 4 season tent that you rode to. You can get by with a 3 season using your bikes as shelter from the wind. The wind will do more damage than the snow. I have been in a snowstorm where it dropped 3 feet of snow in a black diamond mega lite. ( http://www.bdel.com/gear/mega_light.php )You will be fine, you just will not sleep that night, for you are keeping the snow off you tent. Ride high and sleep low! (There is no need to be caught where you need a 4 season unless you go looking for it. IMHO)

As for the hubba hubba I think it is a great lightweight tent. But if you can handle a pound/kilo or more you can get a tent the same packed size that might be better.

Hope this helps.

Take care
WIESE

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As for the hubba hubba I think it is a great lightweight tent. But if you can handle a pound/kilo or more you can get a tent the same packed size that might be better.>>

Wiese,

seems that you are clued up on the "which Tent" business and wanted to pick you brains..
I am using a Black Diamond firstlight and I like it because it packs v. small is super lightweight and is dead easy to pitch.

But I would like to have a bit more space both internal and vestibule and better ventilation on hot days.

I thought the Hubba Hubba was the obvious alternative but it seems that you have different idea, could you share your ideas with us.

(I will be using the tent for two people -i.e. more stuff to store in vestibules - we are on two bikes)

Wiese,
I agree with basically everything you say except I would not like to use the Hubba in snow. On the Hardanger in Norway I was in a snowstorm where the tiny particles of windblown spindrift were blown through the no-see-um netting of the door of my inner tent. Luckily the door was two layer (the inner layer being nylon) and the snow collected between the two layers rather than entering the tent. There was about a pound of spindrift in that small area! In a tent like the Hubba so much snow could have entered I could easily have died!(Not an exageration, down sleeping bag, miles from anywhere!) Plus the mesh would make it very cold to sleep in.
BUT: You are right, I didn't access this by bike! (By skis)
AND: I agree this tent is fine for most things.

I would only hesitate to buy a tent like this if I was expecting to use it largely in winter.
Matt

PS: 'Four Season' tents often have more condensation problems because their design is more enclosed, the outer comes down lower etc. For this reason no tents are truly all rounders as there is bound to be compromise in some conditions.

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