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Apple AirTags

I could only find one previous mention of AirTags on HUBB (which I've copied in below on a separate post) and thought the subject might be worth a revisit. The text I've included below was prepared for another site and was primarily about luggage tracking, but I've stuck AirTags on my vehicles as well.
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Arriving on holiday and finding your luggage didn't make it is a stressful situation. It's not the airlines fault, they don't actually touch your luggage, it's the fault of the baggage handling companies the airline contract with. But it IS the airline's responsibility to track down your luggage and reunite you with it. Some airlines are good at this, some are absolutely useless.

What initiated this thread for me was reading the Morocco World News report this morning where Morocco’s Minister of Transport, Mohamed Abdeljalil, acknowledged the persistence of services challenges at the Mohammed V airport, especially the loss of luggage.

The AirTags communicate using long range Bluetooth 5.0 to link with your smartphone and you can locate your tag if it's within say 20 metres, but clearly that won't help if you are in Marrakech and your bags are in Casablanca. This is where the clever stuff comes in.

Any iPhone that has 'Find My' activated is actively searching for signals from devices and it doesn't matter whether they are your devices, or someone else's, the device locations get passed to Apple servers. So if someone in baggage handling with an iPhone passes close to your bags, the location will be available to you through 'Find My' and will be displayed on a map that you can screen grab and send to the airline.

NO EXCUSES NOW !! AirTags cost £35 for 1 or £119 for 4 from Apple. You can also buy from Amazon at £29 and £99.
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So the problem with the example above is that whilst iPhones are commonplace in Europe, most Moroccans use less expensive Android devices. Nevertheless, if your baggage had been sitting on a luggage carousel in the arrival airport there will have been enough iPhone users around to record its last seen location which at least narrows down the airport it's at.

Air Tags are locatable from Android devices by using a Bluetooth scanner, but only in the immediate vicinity.

If you own a Samsung Galaxy phone running Android, you could purchase the Samsung SmartTag which is roughly comparable, however it only supports Galaxy phones rather than all Android phones, see comparison of devices.

The above link also mentions Tile as a tracker, and I use these to track my keys and wallet.

I've recently bought a four-pack of AirTags and now have one hidden in my campervan, one concealed on my KTM 790, another located in an innovative position on my electric Brompton folding bike, and the fourth on the collar of Rosie, my adorable Cockapoo. I've disassembled the first three AirTags mentioned and removed the speakers so that they doesn't alert thieves if I am tracking them.

I also use Vodafone Smart Curve Tracker as SIM driven tracker for my vehicle. This works under battery power or can be plugged in to USB supply. When my son-in-law borrowed the campervan to drive to Italy I was able to watch the journey real time as the Curve is plugged into a hidden USB port and sends constant signals. This isn't a universal solution, however, as the Curve Tracker only works in 100 or so countries.

So I would be really interested if anyone knows of a device that can track anywhere in the world and has a lengthy battery runtime.
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Previous AirTag post from Jan 2022

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An apple air tag will only work properly when it is used in an area with a lot of iphone/ipad devices. The range of an air tag is max 100m outside without getting blocked by huge buildings made with a lot of steel. Inside a building the range varies between 15 to 45m still depending on the material and technical furnishing of the building.

Air tags are functioning pretty well where a lot people live in a relative small area as in congested and overcrowded areas. If you look to the statistics of iphone/ipad ownerships worldwide you recognize that these are mostly industrialized countries like US, UK, Japan and europe countries.

That you should have always in mind when you travel through south america and you are visiting small towns or areas with low population mostly creating a low income from agriculture or similar.

But you should also aware of that air tags could be used in a different way: If somebody is interested in you bike or car, he can place an air tag on it and track you all the day and night to find the right opportunity to steel your property.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...technology.htm

https://www.businessinsider.com/appl...police-2021-12

There are lot of gps products who offer a tracking service like

- Trackimo TRKM007 GPS Tracker
- TrackmateGPS MINI PRO LTE GPS Tracker
- AES RGT90 GPS Tracker SMS Locator
- Racelogic VBox Sport
- ATian 303G GPS Tracker
- PAJ Motorrad GPS Tracker
- Globalstar SpotGen3

to name a few.

Best you can do is to use your senses and your personal feeling as well as to communicate with locals to find a safe spot to park. And not to use a bike looking brand new and telling everybody around you that you spent a lot of money for equipement on it. These types of bikes get stolen from people who know how to use a gps blocker.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...ocker&_sacat=0
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Had an airtag on my bike as it was shipped from Tallinn to Milan and back. It's the next-gen version of watching your pizza arrive on a food delivery app.

Generally, they work more than well enough for the money.
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There's any number of small trackers out there these days, and thieves are aware of this and will check all the usual places (on a motorbike that often means ripping the seat off to check for extra leads on the battery). It's the never-ending battle between sword and shield.

Personally I'm not a fan of skimping on security devices, though I also don't believe top dollar means everything. Tile and Airtag are fine for finding your keys in the house, but I wouldn't trust them with the security of my motorbike. For one thing they're reliant on other people's phones, and for another modern apps and modern phones warn you if there's one of these phone based trackers following you - so a thief knows straight away.

GPS/cellular ones don't warn the thief of their presence have the disadvantage that they only work within the cellular coverage area. I've had good experience with Monimoto and Pegase, and Invoxia have recently come up with a nice little gizmo that uses modern low-energy cellular networks to save cost and battery life. At the end of the day any tracker is better than none, and there's no law that says you can't double up.
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Based on the above reply, if I were a bike thief I'd hide the stolen bike in a garage made exclusively of reinforced concrete, such as an underground carpark under a tower block built in the past few decades. Radio waves struggle to penetrate Faraday cages.
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As an Apple iOS User you will get a warning about a foreign Airtag is travelling with you. You can switch to do a noise, find them and disable them.

Also if you disable the beep, if someone know there is an airtag, he will find it.

And there are jammers around: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804080800484.html

like for 3G/4G/LTE/5G too

Those Airtags are perfect to find stuff again, but nothing against theft!

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Thanks for the feedback.

@Surfy: Yes, the scumbutt will be warned that an AirTag is travelling with him but the warnings don't start for at least eight hours. And I've disabled the speakers in three of the AirTags 😇

What seemed to be a better solution was the Vodafone Smart Curve Tracker which gives me a notification when the campervan is moved out of its known zone, but as I wrote, this isn't a worldwide solution as 'only' 100 countries are supported.

@Tomkat: Both AirTags and Vodafone Curve are battery powered, so no tracing of wires from the battery.

As you say, multiple solutions are better than none. There have been many instances of £3,000 Brompton e-bikes being hijacked on London streets, but the thief won't have time to try to find an AirTag (hidden in a really innovative place) whilst riding away.

At the moment the AirTags can only be tracked from my iPhone, but from iOS 17 due in Sep/Oct 2023 I will be able to have multiple people watching my Tag movements.

With the advent of trackers, some thieves have taken to parking stolen vehicles up for a few days some distance from their homes, to see whether anyone collects them.
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I'm traveling through the Americas and currently in Ecuador. I installed a Samsung SmartTag on my bike as a security feature.

I had to have the SmartTag brought in from the US by another traveler since none of the several Samsung stores I visited in Colombia nor Ecuador had them. In fact, the workers didn't even know what they were.

So... it's likely that thieves wouldn't be aware of trackers unless they're very savvy.

But I have no way to test the SmartTag. Wherever it is, I'm nearby. And if I'm not nearby, the bike isn't moving so I can't see if it's being tracked by other phones.

But it's fairly inexpensive and offers a bit more security than nothing.

A friend who shipped his bike from Panama to Colombia with an AirTag installed told me he could track his bike through the cargo terminal and he saw when it landed in Colombia and was off-loaded from the plane.
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I agree that AirTags are not a super efficient thief deterrent. However, in a world where the AirTag could be set to a fully "silent" mode, this comes down to what I've been saying about bike alarms in general, especially the two-way GPS/sim-equipped ones, on a modern immobiliser-equipped bike that can't just be hotwired and ridden away:

What exactly are you going to do with that information?

Let's say you are fast asleep in your South American hotel when your phone wakes you with an alarm that your bike is being tampered with. You grab your shorts, and run out to the bike, and find a small group of local machete-equipped gentlemen about to load your bike into a van.

What's your next move? Because more likely than not, it will be to help them load it into the van and forget what their faces looked like.
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I agree that AirTags are not a super efficient thief deterrent. However, in a world where the AirTag could be set to a fully "silent" mode, this comes down to what I've been saying about bike alarms in general, especially the two-way GPS/sim-equipped ones, on a modern immobiliser-equipped bike that can't just be hotwired and ridden away:

What exactly are you going to do with that information?

Let's say you are fast asleep in your South American hotel when your phone wakes you with an alarm that your bike is being tampered with. You grab your shorts, and run out to the bike, and find a small group of local machete-equipped gentlemen about to load your bike into a van.

What's your next move? Because more likely than not, it will be to help them load it into the van and forget what their faces looked like.
From my personal experience and and others' anecdotes and the press, 10 x more likely to have your bike stolen in the UK than South America. Ergo: Go travel if you're UK based. Or don't visit the UK with your bike, if you're from elsewhere.

With a tracker you or the police have a 100 x better chance to retrieve it, than without one.

PS. A further cheap theft protection option is a modified "rape"/ screamer alarm that you connect to a wheel and a non moving part of your bike. A bit like a gyroscopic movement sensor, but more rustic.
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@Tim yes to all points there bud. Monimoto and Invoxia are also self contained battery powered but more featured than the little gizmos as they are actual GPS trackers. Larger, so not so easy to hide on a bicycle, but no problem on a moto.

TBH I'm trying to find an inobtrusive place to hide a tile on my wife's ebike (after her first was stolen!) but can't find anywhere.

Lastly there is an app called AirGuard that will tell you if you are being tracked, IOS or Android.
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From my personal experience and and others' anecdotes and the press, 10 x more likely to have your bike stolen in the UK than South America. Ergo: Go travel if you're UK based. Or don't visit the UK with your bike, if you're from elsewhere.

With a tracker you or the police have a 100 x better chance to retrieve it, than without one.
A while ago I bought an AirTag and put it into the small end of a con rod. I then put the conrod back in its box and back onto the shelf in the storeroom. This was at the factory next to mine that had ceased trading but which I had the keys to and was allowed to enter as I saw fit. The trouble was that hey were getting broken into and the place was gradually being stripped of all light equipment. A couple of day later the conrod’s location changed so I told the police where it was. The next day I told them again. The next day I told them again. The next day I told them again. You get the idea. After about 5 WEEKS the Conroe moved again - this time to a scrap metal yard. I told the police and more time passed. They new from the start that the AirTag could be traced to within 500mm but they did nothing. The only went to get it back when I said that I wanted my AirTag back and I was going to get it. They didn’t arrest anyone but did return my AirTag and the dozen conrods that were with it. Don’t expect the police to bother- they have more to do than solve crimes, they have cars to drive around in, doughnuts to eat, coffee to drink etc.

If there are any police officers on here that are offended by this post, I am sorry, but do you prefer jam or plain doughnuts? For the sake of clarity this was a UK police force.
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@Surfy: Yes, the scumbutt will be warned that an AirTag is travelling with him but the warnings don't start for at least eight hours. And I've disabled the speakers in three of the AirTags ������
I dont drive far with the car of my brother, till I got this warning "a stranger airtag is travelling with you", he has the airtag attached to the car key.

Dunno, if the settings in switzerland are stronger, or if this happens because I drive his car from time to time.

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A while ago I bought an AirTag and put it into the small end of a con rod. I then put the conrod back in its box and back onto the shelf in the storeroom. This was at the factory next to mine that had ceased trading but which I had the keys to and was allowed to enter as I saw fit. The trouble was that hey were getting broken into and the place was gradually being stripped of all light equipment. A couple of day later the conrod’s location changed so I told the police where it was. The next day I told them again. The next day I told them again. The next day I told them again. You get the idea. After about 5 WEEKS the Conroe moved again - this time to a scrap metal yard. I told the police and more time passed. They new from the start that the AirTag could be traced to within 500mm but they did nothing. The only went to get it back when I said that I wanted my AirTag back and I was going to get it. They didn’t arrest anyone but did return my AirTag and the dozen conrods that were with it. Don’t expect the police to bother- they have more to do than solve crimes, they have cars to drive around in, doughnuts to eat, coffee to drink etc.

If there are any police officers on here that are offended by this post, I am sorry, but do you prefer jam or plain doughnuts? For the sake of clarity this was a UK police force.
That the UK police has for decades been totally useless at solving or even attempting to solve vehicle theft crimes shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone from the UK. The police in Bulgaria where I live now has the reputation for not being too good either, but the private security companies that everyone employs have amazing powers of persuasion to assist recovery of removed items and more importantly, prevent it happening in the first place.
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Thieves are employing the technology. At a recent bike meet people report getting home and finding a tag stuck to their bike. They now know where you live

It's the steal to order people of course, not the balaklava wearing chav scum who'll try bike jacking in most UK cities, but something to consider if you have anything high end and go to such places. A physical check is probably required to account for the different versions.

I like the sound of the private security companies. Unfortunately the UK plod views them as competition and would rather arrest the property owner or his hired help for hurting the feelings of Albanian Gangsters than do their job

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