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Can we also conclude that foreign countries - not only the United States but many other nations - have targeted Latin American countries cause they got resources (gold, silver,oil etc) and are highly susceptible to accepting bribes?

I have had many conversations with Mexicans, Peruvians, etc who have been taught that before being targeted by the United States, the Spanish did a fair amount of damage.

My 20th century example was not meant to exclude other foreigners:

especially this guy....

Born Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph; 6 July 1832 – 19 June 1867) was the only monarch of the Second Mexican Empire. He was a younger brother of the Austrian emperor Franz Joseph I. After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he entered into a scheme with Napoleon III of France to rule Mexico. France had invaded Mexico in 1861, with the implicit support and approval of other European powers, as part of the War of the French Intervention. Seeking to legitimize French rule, Napoleon III invited Maximilian to establish a new Mexican monarchy. With the support of the French army and a group of conservative Mexican monarchists, Maximilian traveled to Mexico where he declared himself Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864.

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Nope. I've said all I wish to say, which happens to encapsulate what I believe true. Have at it (within reason).
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Got it!
The famous muralist , Diego Rivera , with his revolutionary/political themes
have shaped the point of view of most Mexicans. Diego Rivera was absolutely against imperialism and even capitalism, yet he is celebrated, even in the United States.

My point of view is that the Mexican, especially Mexican police are basically good and to do bad to others must be justified in their eyes and in the eyes of their God and fellow police..... this is true for all but the small percentage of real psychopaths.

So, the justification for some police goes something like this: These foreigners have stolen from me - from my country- therefore I am justified in stealing from them.

I have spoken with Mexican police extensively - I lived and worked in Mexico for three years, I know that Mexicans are in general very honest, God fearing good people who would rather help then hurt. Therefore, my opinion is that the justification for going bad is exactly as I have perhaps - inconclusively explained, but it is based on my own experiences of living in Mexico for three years.

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you're kidding, right? police in latin america demand bribes of everyone, including locals. this has nothing to do with colonialism or damage done by other countries. plain and simple, it is an abuse of power.

oh wait, you're from argentina? the home of some of the most corrupt cops around?
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Selective history. Huerta was supported and encouraged by the US ambassador at the time to take out Madero. Obama was spying on the candidates during the last election. Things dont change.
Mex cops do not discriminate. They'll rip off their own mothers...if they had mothers to begin with.
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Now, I am wondering why I have never been "ripped off" by Mexican police or by Argentine police? Or, for that matter, I have not been ripped off by police even once during more than ten years in Latin America. the only place I have ever been bothered by police in in the United States? I wonder if it is because of the differences in our points of view?

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Xfiltrate, no, probably it is simply a case of good luck. Tampico is a very well known hot spot for transito municipal cops being extremely corrupt.

Chris, the ride away worked for me once here in Mexico. Except I went directly to the transito office and demanded to see the chief. He couldnt believe I simply left the transito, listened to me rant and rave in Spanish, then told me just to go away because it was almost lunch time. LOL!
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Can we also conclude that foreign countries - not only the United States but many other nations - have targeted Latin American countries cause they got resources (gold, silver,oil etc) and are highly susceptible to accepting bribes?

I have had many conversations with Mexicans, Peruvians, etc who have been taught that before being targeted by the United States, the Spanish did a fair amount of damage.

My 20th century example was not meant to exclude other foreigners:

especially this guy....

Born Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph; 6 July 1832 – 19 June 1867) was the only monarch of the Second Mexican Empire. He was a younger brother of the Austrian emperor Franz Joseph I. After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he entered into a scheme with Napoleon III of France to rule Mexico. France had invaded Mexico in 1861, with the implicit support and approval of other European powers, as part of the War of the French Intervention. Seeking to legitimize French rule, Napoleon III invited Maximilian to establish a new Mexican monarchy. With the support of the French army and a group of conservative Mexican monarchists, Maximilian traveled to Mexico where he declared himself Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864.

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Your posts would have a great deal more credibility if you didn't randomly copy and paste whole chunks of stuff from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico

Please keep your utterances between the ditches (experiences you've had with Mexican law enforcement for example, like in your last post) or they'll be parked in the HU Bar.

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PS. 12 years ago when I rode the length of Mexico I didn't get asked for anything, except once where one of the coppers asked if I could give him some engine oil.

If you've done nothing wrong, play the game: Distraction, bullsh!t, excessive politeness/compliments, talk about football etc., don't understand a word they say, get your phone out pretending to speak to your mate the Police chief in the next city/county.

If you are going to insult them, be very sure that they don't understand your language Post #5 at http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...et-place-66414
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