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More economical alternative?
Not to rain on anyones party, but this may be a cheaper alternative?
If my calculations are right the Rev it, costs about US$394.00 and the jacket below resales for $149.00 and seems very similar to the Rev it but with less style maybe.
Intake Jacket by Tourmaster/Cortec
• Armor-Link Mesh material and 600 Denier Carbolex® combine with 1680 Denier Ballistic Polyester in the impact areas creating a well-ventilated garment that provides exceptional protection.
• Comfortable, mandarin-style collar.
• 360° Phoslite® reflective piping and Tour Master´s signature reflective rear triangle help increase nighttime visibility.
• The Microfiber lined collar and cuffs are soft yet durable.
• Adjustable, elastic and snap sleeve take-up straps at the forearm and bicep help secure elbow armor and material.
• Removable, CE Approved armor at the elbow and shoulder with an articulated Triple Density back protector
• Includes Tour Master´s removable, Two-Stage Aqua-Therm® liner. The first stage is a waterproof/windproof liner and the insulated second stage can be added for increased warmth.
• Zippered chest map pocket, hand warmer pockets, internal pouch pocket and mobile media pocket.
• Adjustable waist belts, with TPR pulls help fine tune the fit.
• Includes a jacket/pant zipper attachment with the pant side included.
• Available Mens colors: Black, Silver/Dk Silver, White/Dk Silver, Red/Silver, Blue/Silver
• Available Mens Tall colors: Black, Silver/Dk Silver
• Available Ladies colors: Black, Silver/Dk Silver, White/Dk Silver, Lt Blue/Silver
• Available Mens sizes:XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL, XXXL, XXXXL
• Available Mens Tall sizes: MT, LT, XLT, XXLT, XXXLT
• Available Ladies sizes: XS, S, M, L, XL
Tour Master :: Textile Jackets :: Intake Jacket
CruiserCustomizing Staff Pick: from: Tourmaster Intake Jacket (Mens Sizes)
Overall Rating:   (5).
Reviewed on 10/21/06 by CruiserCustomizing Staff: BIG UWE ( uwe999) from Livermore, CA for a 2004 Black/Silver Other Make/Model:
this is a phenomenal jacket, basically a 3-into-1 jacket that you can wear in a huge temperature range. Right now (October) in California it's 46 degrees when I ride to work. I have both liners zipped into the jacket and I stay nice a warm with just wearing a T-shirt underneath (on my Goldwing 1800). At lunch time it's 86 degrees and with both liners removed it's a great mesh jacket letting all the air go through. On the ride home at night it's 65 degrees and I have just the windproof liner zipped in, perfect. It has a lot of armor included and provides a snug fit. I have the white one. Very affordable, especially considering all the features. update Summer 2007: I wore my jacket during a ride in Switzerland. We got into heavy rain and I stayed dry and warm. 3 other employees wear this jacket as well: Kyle (red one), Eric (silver/black), Jerry (all black). If I had to settle for a single jacket that I had to wear year round, this would be it!
Then there is the Transition jacket by Tourmaster $169.00
• The Three Quarter Length 600 Denier Carbolex® and 600 Denier Ballistic Polyester shell incorporates reflective Phoslite® material panels for strength and increased nighttime visibility.
• A waterproof and breathable Rainguard® barrier allows dryness without perspiration buildup.
• Collar anchor snap eliminates flapping while collar is open.
• Waterproof zippered 3-position shoulder vents combine with chest vents, sleeve vents, rear exit vents and the Pipeline Ventilation System to provide flow-through ventilation.
• Durable 2-way main zipper closure with
dual wind flap seals out the elements.
• Wide reflective strip across the back and chest, reflective sleeve piping, Phoslite® material panels and Tour Master’s signature reflective rear triangle increase nighttime visibility.
• The Microfiber lined collar and cuffs are soft, yet durable.
• Adjustable sleeve take-up straps at the forearm and bicep help to secure elbow armor and material.
• Removable, CE Approved armor at the elbow and shoulder with an articulated triple density back protector.
• Tour Master’s Z.O.Q. (Zip-Out Quilted) Liner features warming 100 gm Polyfill insulation.
• Vertical zippered chest map pockets, zippered hand pockets with flap closure, internal media pocket, dual zippered fanny pack and sleeve key pocket.
• Adjustable waist belts with TPR pulls help to fine tune the fit.
• Includes a jacket/pant zipper attachment with the pant side included.
No I am not a Tourmaster representative, these are just the jackets that I found so far that I like and that fits my budget. I am still looking and researching. It can be complicated with all the terminology.
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I like the look of that Transition Jacket! I wonder if they sell to UK?
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I like the look of that Transition Jacket! I wonder if they sell to UK?
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It does look nice, so far that is number one on my list with the Pivot 2 and Intake in 2nd. So many decisions, I can't make up my mind! Oh, well I have five months to decide. I am going to the states then and will pick it up there.
I don't know if they sell in or to the UK but here is their web site:
Tour Master / Cortech
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Made in China....
To quote Mollydog;
Indeed, the Rev' It jackets look and feel good. I believe, like nearly all other jackets, these garments are Chinese made. In the USA its law to tag the country of origin in the jacket. What does your tag say... if there is one?
They may be made in Korea, Taiwan or Pakistan, but I doubt they are made in Holland.
From a Patriotic/local union point of view it's very valid to look for something manufactured in your country, From a quality perspective not so much.....
To put a blanket over everything manufactured in China and say it's not as good as an item manufactured in the E.U. UK, USA, Aussie or NZ would be a bit strong.
(Mollydog I'm not saying that you said that all Asian made stuff is rubbish, just, That IMHO it shouldn't matter where it's made.. as long as it's good....)
There certainly is some rubbish that comes out of China, but there's some really good stuff as well. Just the same as the countries mentioned above produce some complete rubbish, and of course some A1 kit.
China has a bad rep from the earlier days when everything was questionable.
All f the manufacturers in Asia will try to produce something for as cheap as possible, just the same as a manufacturer anywhere else in the world. The difference is that some of these factories will disregard quality for cost to the extreme. My experience with the outdoor equipment industry is, as long as the EXACT quality standards and specifications are confirmed, they can ofcourse make something as good as any E.U. UK, USA, Aussie or NZ manufacturer. In fact because of the much lower costs of labour their Quality control will be far more thorough than the western manf. Guess were your $2000 plasma screen was made...... New York?..no, London?..no chance, Sydney?... sorry. Asia that's where...
Expensive and top-end goods have long been made in Asia. We've all heard of the cost of manf. of a pair of Nike's... USD$2 a pair Oakley sunglasses...USD$2.40...etc I had a mate managed to score a shipment of 100 North Face Down vests that had been made extra but NF didn't want. $15 USD each! (we made a killing  )
Asian manf. will be able to put more detail into a jacket or electronics and keep it to a price that is resonable to the consumer than any "western manf. fact. As long as you aren't being amazed and blinded by the bull...t features to hide the low quality
It really comes down to being an educated buyer; Do a bit of research, ask friends, look around on the net/ HUBB, look in motorcycle magazines; They often do reviews about gear. take a copy of the magazine with you to the shop have look at the jacket/ boots etc. Ask lots of questions. If you suspect the sales guy is feeding you rubbish find someone else. Have a look at the likes of Rukka even though it may be lightyears out of your price range. It will give you a better idea what great jacket will have for design and fit and then compare it with something you can afford. and go from there.
To think worse of something because it wasn't made in XXX, YYY or ZZZ would remove 905 of the things we buy........
If it's good kit; it's good kit.
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On one occassion the guys from the major mags simply left the gear in their Hotel rooms. What does that tell you?
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We've tested BOTH these jackets, and I can assure you they are not even close to Rev 'it. On the surface they look really good, but go live in one for a month and see what you think. For short rides in mild conditions they are OK. But in more challenging conditions they don't do well at all.
I tested the Transition last year and it was crap. Not breathable (even though they claim this.) Venting useless. Too hot even at just 70f and freezing below 50f. What is up with that? In other words, no wind blocking ability, poor venting flow, not waterproof.
The new one shown is perhaps better? For that price I doubt it.
The FX jacket is fairly good but not even in the same class as the Rev' It.
We are testing it right now. I like it for around town and short rides, It's not very waterproof and not very warm, and TOO warm in temps just over 70f.
Do you see a pattern here?
I have been to several Tourmaster/Coretech product intros usually combined with a bike intro. Journalists are given a whole bin of free Tourmaster gear.
On one occassion the guys from the major mags simply left the gear in their Hotel rooms. What does that tell you?
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Have you tested the Pivot (they now have a pivot 2) jacket that they sale? I heard that one is their best seller.
Are you also saying that I can not get a decent Jacket for $125.00 - $175.00?  What is the best low to mid priced jacket IYO?
Of course I do not plan on doing RTW, just 100 km up to 3,000 km trips. I do plan on doing a 12k in a year or two.
Thanks for any advice that you can give. All those jackets look the same to me. :confused1: My current jacket is leather(no pads) and breaks the wind well but is not water proof and is very hot when it is hot.
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Once they make a bad jacket, I can only assume all the jackets are made basically to this same standard. So for now, Tourmaster are on my Sh#t list.
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In some ways its all very subjective.
As I mentioned, for shorter rides, around town, or weekend rides, the Tourmaster jackets may do well for you. A high end jacket may not be needed for more casual riding. No problem, use what works for you.
Low price jackets can work well for many, but we're talking about Gold Standard stuff with the Rev 'it, Aerostich, Rukka, Spidi and a few other exceptional garments.
Sometimes it's hard for me to see much difference between jackets either. (except the Rukka and Aerostich) But there are certain tell tales a fashion designer can spot. Short cuts to save money, inconsistent stitching, crap zippers, poor fit, (like where they have clearly used TINY Asian models to size the garments) lower spec fabrics (this is a big deal) .
For the most part there are no written out standards in this area so its buyer beware. Trial and error.
In more mild conditions you may not ever see major problems with a low cost garment. But when you live in it for a while, then you see faults sometimes.
Comfort is a huge issue too ... and style. Both won't save your life in a crash but its what buyers demand. So a tough thing to sort out. Sometimes a super well made jacket is just too stiff, heavy and cumbersome, like the RUKKA. Its like tank armor. Made in Norway.
I think I've seen the Pivot, have not ridden with it. So many out there now, and Tourmaster introduce new stuff every year.
I would go to newenough.com. Read Paul Thompson's reviews. Read what he says about the Transition and other Cor-tech stuff. Some of the best prices in the USA for all the low cost riding gear.
Most of the reviews are positive, as you would expect. So when I see a negative, I know it must be pretty bad. And it is....IMHO.
Once they make a bad jacket, I can only assume all the jackets are made basically to this same standard. So for now, Tourmaster are on my Sh#t list.
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Well, the fact that Tourmaster is making #2 of almost everything tells you something. They have discontinued much of their first line.
I will probably end up getting the one that has the best armor that I can find for 150 - 180 bucks! Protection is the most important thing.
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Everything is not what it SEEMS...
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Not to rain on anyones party, but this may be a cheaper alternative...
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If my calculations are right the Rev it, costs about US$394.00 and the jacket below resales for $149.00 and seems very similar to the Rev it but with less style maybe....
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What SEEMS and what IS, as you can tell from people who have TRIED and TESTED jackets, are completely different things.
Looking at a picture, to compare jackets - is about as clever, buying a house, based on the pics on the Estate Agent's window, without ever going to view it!
Buying cheap is not always being thrifty: in the past, because we've got to kit out not only ourselves, but kids too - we went for cheaper jackets. None of the cheaper jackets actually lasted till the kids outgrew them... and the adult jackets have broken zips, torn off velcro, leaky seams...
Had we spent more - we wouldn't have had to replace them after only a year - which in the long run, costs us MORE than buying a decent jacket from the start.
Unless you've tried a jacket yourself (or can get a TRUSTED review - not from a mag or website) - you really can't make an intelligent decision.
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What SEEMS and what IS, as you can tell from people who have TRIED and TESTED jackets, are completely different things.
Looking at a picture, to compare jackets - is about as clever, buying a house, based on the pics on the Estate Agent's window, without ever going to view it!
Buying cheap is not always being thrifty: in the past, because we've got to kit out not only ourselves, but kids too - we went for cheaper jackets. None of the cheaper jackets actually lasted till the kids outgrew them... and the adult jackets have broken zips, torn off velcro, leaky seams...
Had we spent more - we wouldn't have had to replace them after only a year - which in the long run, costs us MORE than buying a decent jacket from the start.
Unless you've tried a jacket yourself (or can get a TRUSTED review - not from a mag or website) - you really can't make an intelligent decision.
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So True! That is why I posted to get people's reaction. You probably know waaayyyyy more than I about textile jackets having worn them and actually used them for long periods of time. I am very grateful for the criticism because the Tourmaster looks so good and they evidently have some great sales reps!  It is now off my list because after searching the internet I have found other models that seem to have more of a reputation for being tougher and better.
Sorry if I high jacked your thread but it may help other newbies like myself who don't know the difference between a Rev-it! and a Tourmaster.
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