Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Equipment, Travel > Camping Equipment and all Clothing
Camping Equipment and all Clothing Tents, sleeping bags, stoves etc. Riding clothing, boots, helmets, what to wear when not riding, etc.
Photo by Marc Gibaud, Clouds on Tres Cerros and Mount Fitzroy, Argentinian Patagonia

25 years of HU Events


Destination ANYWHERE...
Adventure EVERYWHERE!




Photo by Marc Gibaud,
Clouds on Tres Cerros and
Mount Fitzroy, Argentinian Patagonia




Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 13 Aug 2010
walktall's Avatar
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lancashire, England
Posts: 2
Thanks for the help guys, I'd assumed that leather would be more breathable with it being a natural material, it's good to have advice of people who have tried both rather than trying to figure out what is best from adverisments.
How do man-made materials compare to leather in the event of a slide down the tarmac, has nylon etc caught up with leather's protective properties, are there any materials that I should definitely avoid?
Once again, thanks for your help.
__________________
Never do today what can be put off 'til tomorrow
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13 Aug 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,377
Ha, they've moved far beyond nylon, think more about kevlar and all sorts of other sturdy materials that you've never heard of. Not sure if I've seen any scientific studies but I've certainly seen lots of glowing reports about how well many of these jackets do in a crash to convince me that they are good enough.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13 Aug 2010
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: West Yorkshire UK
Posts: 1,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by walktall View Post
Thanks for the help guys, I'd assumed that leather would be more breathable with it being a natural material, it's good to have advice of people who have tried both rather than trying to figure out what is best from adverisments.
How do man-made materials compare to leather in the event of a slide down the tarmac, has nylon etc caught up with leather's protective properties, are there any materials that I should definitely avoid?
Once again, thanks for your help.
You need to work out a system that works for you. There will be layers. There will be at least one base layers who's function is to control heat. Then there is an outer layer whose function is protection from the wind and any off. Finally there might be a waterproofing layer to deal with serious downpours and give you something that can stay outside the tent when soaked. Materials:

Cotton (basic): cheap and cool.
Wool/wool pile: warm ,cheapish, works when wet.
Goretex: breathable and showerproof when in first class condition and clean, like a Tesco's bag when blocked/dirty/old.
Leather: Tough, windproof, will work after a crash, useless when wet.
Waxed cotton: totally waterproof and windproof when treated, leaks when it isn't. Semi-crashproof if top quality, breathable.
Nylon: waterproof or breathable but not both. A swine to get fasteners to stay stuck to. Burns/melts at the touch of the road or an exhaust.
Aramid/kevlar: very strong in tension but expensive, lacking any other useful feature.

Modern bike gear is basically a nylon coat with Kevlar strands for abrasion resistance, foam rubber armour to give impact protection and a Goretex liner (inside the nylon) to make them splash proof. Clean them every few trips to keep the pores open and/or use a closed oversuit to stop the water overwhelming them and they work. When dry and clean they breath. They are designed for weekend riders, so if you use them expect to pay out £400 every two years when the press studs drop off and the plastic zips fail, or £800 for something that might last a bit longer. Fall off and you go shopping.

My own preference for a trip where I'll ride all day (I use modern stuff to sling on for a trip to the shops) is using wool pile and silk under leather trousers/armoured jeans for toughness, a treated wax cotton coat for temperature control and water resistance with nylon over trousers as required. I have not solved the armour issue for solo riders but I feel this combo has worked out cheaper and more practical over the last couple of years than the commercial Goretex stuff I used up to then. The Kevlar and cotton jeans you can wear to the pub too, old styles of wax cotton kit have far superior collar and cuff designs.

Leather is still the choice of racers, it will not be beaten for abrasion resistance and when armoured with hard plastic does the job. It is a one trick pony though, you fry or freeze unless it's that one nice day in May. A one piece Orange and green suit makes you look a right *** if you are fat and fifty .

You need to pick what works for you, not just go down the shops and buy what they sell.

Andy
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Leather panniers Shanti Camping Equipment and all Clothing 7 4 May 2010 07:00
Enduro Jacket or Body Armour / Safety Jacket for Morocco? Drachenstein Equipment Reviews 17 2 Feb 2010 11:51
Breaking in Leather Boots discoenduro Camping Equipment and all Clothing 7 31 Jan 2009 13:21
Just a leather jacket Bamaboy Camping Equipment and all Clothing 7 12 Feb 2008 12:24
TFL cool leather Crusty Camping Equipment and all Clothing 0 23 Aug 2007 19:41

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
Ecuador June 13-15
Bulgaria Mini: June 27-29
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Aug 14-17
Romania: Aug 22-24
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
New York: October 9-12 NEW!
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

2026 Confirmed Dates:
(get your holidays booked!)

Virginia: April 23-26
Queensland: May 1-4
CanWest: July 9-12

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes.
(ONLY US RESIDENTS and currently has a limit of 60 days.)

Ripcord Evacuation Insurance is available for ALL nationalities.


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Every book a diary
Every chapter a day
Every day a journey
Refreshingly honest and compelling tales: the hights and lows of a life on the road. Solo, unsupported, budget journeys of discovery.
Authentic, engaging and evocative travel memoirs, overland, around the world and through life.
All 8 books available from the author or as eBooks and audio books



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:28.