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Originally Posted by Kradmelder
I ride a KTM with arrow pipes. What more music than that do I need? 
Granted a few hours at 140 kmh plus without earplugs and my ears are ringing, but more from the wind noise. |
Loud pipes will never hurt your hearing. Wrong frequencies and proximity is too far from ear drum and well filtered by even a mediocre helmet.
What does the damage is LOW FREQUENCY WIND RUMBLE. Plugs knock a lot of that down. The trick is finding comfortable plugs that you can wear all day without soreness or sensitivity.
I use Howard Leight Laser Lite plugs. Best I've found among at least ten brands I've tried and tested ... and for me, very comfortable ... AND you can still hear things like Horns, Sirens and even some conversation ...although all muted quite a bit.
Even a very quiet, quality helmet like a top of the line Arai or Schuberth, you can still get some low freq. wind rumble at speed. Some windshields can make rumble (buffeting) worse, causing more damage.
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23 Apr 2014
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Originally Posted by mollydog
What does the damage is LOW FREQUENCY WIND RUMBLE. Plugs knock a lot of that down. The trick is finding comfortable plugs that you can wear all day without soreness or sensitivity.
I use Howard Leight Laser Lite plugs. Best I've found among at least ten brands I've tried and tested ... and for me, very comfortable ... AND you can still hear things like Horns, Sirens and even some conversation ...although all muted quite a bit.
Even a very quiet, quality helmet like a top of the line Arai or Schuberth, you can still get some low freq. wind rumble at speed. Some windshields can make rumble (buffeting) worse, causing more damage.
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Agree with you there Mollydog, I find the low screen on the DR and my Arai XD3 generates quite a bit of wind noise which is tiring on a long days riding, but I prefer peaked helmets. I already have some tinnitus from shooting small arms/rockets/ tanks in the military, so am a bit more careful these days to use earplugs, with a scala rider headset earpiece mounted in the helmet for radio/mp3/listening to the wife nagging me.
Ive slid 100 + feet on my face at 80 mph/130 kmh on asphalt in my old Arai Tour Cross (Euro model of original XD) and have no problem investing money on a quality lid.
Figure out your head shape and go from there, Arai make shapes for most peoples melons, but buy what is comfortable and as good quality as you can afford. Snell standards change every few years, so a cheaper lid that meets the M2010 standard MAY be a better buy than a more expensive lid that only meets M2005, but it still has to fit properly.
http://www.smf.org/home
Mollydog, that was one hell of a tumble down a cliff!
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16 May 2015
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nolan n44, customize as you like 
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16 May 2015
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I guess that Nolan would be OK if you don't mind carrying around all the extra bits and pieces? (screws, nuts and bolts) 
I won't ride with open face helmet. Chin bar please! 
I've seen unprintable scenes from accidents involving open face helmets, like the woman I met at a BIG Harley rally...half her face ...missing  
She'd already had 9 operations ... more reconstruction to come.
I like a flip up option for travel. Some like an internal pull down tinted shield. These are good ... until they get so scratched up you can't see through them ... about a month of travel. Most not very scratch resistant, don't last long. Had them on both my former Nolan and current HJC Symax ll. Useless.
I prefer high quality sun glasses and a piece of elec. tape put across the top of face shield. Simple, works pretty well.
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17 May 2015
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I prefer high quality sun glasses and a piece of elec. tape put across the top of face shield. Simple, works pretty well.
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This seems like a good solution! With and internal sun visor, you'd need to keep the helmet ventilated. In the UK, where we're not always blessed with warmth  I've used an internal visor when it's really sunny but quite chilly (so kept vents closed, etc) and the second I breathe the sun visor fogs up and I can't see a thing! Useless! For me, Arai's the way to go. By far the most comfortable, well fitting helmets I've ever owned, and allegedly the safest on the market. This does mean that they don't have some of the features of other helmets, but if it saves my head in crash, I won't care will I?!
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26 Apr 2014
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My two cents worth......
Arai XD3/XD4 if it fits your head shape.
Pros:
1. Excellent, excellent, venting in hot weather.
2. Breathable head liner.
3. Fairly quiet.
4. The visor is good in bright sun, just tilt your head a little to block it out.
5. High quality removable pads and head liner that can washed many times without falling apart.
6. Availability of replacement parts.
Cons:
1. Cost.
2. Cross winds, but the visor can be removed.
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12 Jun 2014
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In the end I went with a Shoei GT AIR. It was expensive but only one I could find that felt right. Fits like a glove and is very comfortable. Hardly notice its on but really appreciate the quietness and the sun visor is great, esp as you can just lower it a little to take the edge of a low sun. now I never go anywhere without earplugs and I find a bandanna around my neck cuts out wind noise near completely.
Ted; I tried the mp3 thing but was a PITA to get the cables and buds to sit right, and having to pull over and take off gloves, etc to change track also, so after a while judt went back to earplugs. I found it was a distraction and disconnected me from my surroundings.
Molly; you say a windscreen causes more noise and buffeting or less? I thought it was other way around!
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12 Jun 2014
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Molly; you say a windscreen causes more noise and buffeting or less? I thought it was other way around!
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Windscreens can go either way. If the design is just right, and set perfectly for your height, then they can be quieter.
But many times they are noisy and cause buffeting ... and in this case they can be noisier than NO shield at all. So it's tricky getting the right shield at the right height and angle to work on your bike. It's all fairly subjective as well.
I've struggled on many bikes to get the right shield and then get it set to be quiet for me. I've been through 4 shields on my 1050 Tiger ... never have found one that's much good. On my Vstrom (90K miles) I found the Holy Grail and got a quiet shield. The BMW guys go insane with this issue ... and spend hundreds and hundreds trying different shield solutions. It's a whole long (and very boring)topic on many forums ... thank god not so much here.
(we've better things to do I guess!)
If you fit a shield, just make sure you set it up so it can be adjusted on several planes. (forward, back, angle and height) can be a bit of a nightmare. (I am a pro audio guy so am picky about wind noise)
good luck
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Hmm, interesting! Was debating getting one for my tornado but perhaps the cash is better spent elsewhere.
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12 Jun 2014
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Hmm, interesting! Was debating getting one for my tornado but perhaps the cash is better spent elsewhere.
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Shields are good in Rain and Cold. But I HATE them trying to ride down a dirt road ... especially one with ruts where reading the terrain is crucial.
But when it's below freezing or raining, tucking in behind a nice shield is good.
But do you want a big "barn door" style shield on that little bike? Some like it.
I saw this in Thailand. If the shield is optically perfect then you can see through it pretty good. If not ... it's like riding on LSD. 
(l like LSD)
I also am not fond of a shield in HOT weather as it blocks cooling air.
On the DR650, guys buy the cheap National Cycle Shields and take them off and carry them off road, bolt them back on when needed. It's very quick and simple on some shields.
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Shields are good in Rain and Cold. But I HATE them trying to ride down a dirt road ... especially one with ruts where reading the terrain is crucial.
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Looking down at your front wheel instead of look up and look ahead are we? LOL! Just teasing.
Ja, a tall screen does hinder vision on technical dirt. Then again, the reduction in wind and noise at high speed is a plus on long days and much less tiring. Just tall enough to deflect wind past top of helmet is fine for me. Amazing how not much height is required to achieve that.
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Shark evoline series 3... if it fits your head.
The helmet is one of very few flip fronts that are legal and comfortable to ride open face. It has a built in sun visor. Also, fitting intercom is easy. The helmet is easy to operate. But it is expensive...
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before you blame the shield for buffeting ,try removing those mickey mouse earred mirrors,was the entire cause of buffeting on my Buell.
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I would prefere any cheap helmed as i dont have to worry about it when i go hiking or ride offroad through tree trunks and so on...
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