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Thank you, they look pretty physically big, are they?
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Thank you, they look pretty physically big, are they?
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they are longer ( or taller whichever way ya wanna look at it....) but it is easy enough to extend the lid of a fuse box, as long as u have the room... I would make every effort possible to use the them, saves a LOT of hassle.
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Have you thought about replacing the alternator with a permanent magnet type?
You would get rid of diode board problems as well as any potential problems caused by breakdown of the rotor windings and carbon brushes .
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Have you thought about replacing the alternator with a permanent magnet type?
You would get rid of diode board problems as well as any potential problems caused by breakdown of the rotor windings and carbon brushes .
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I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system
Did some research on that charge system.
Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura
Cons of Endura:
1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace
Cons of Omega:
1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed
Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.
Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.
Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.
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Originally Posted by shadowraven
I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system
Did some research on that charge system.
Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura
Cons of Endura:
1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace
Cons of Omega:
1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed
Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.
Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.
Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.
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Glad you are happy with your purchase .
I may have misunderstood the workings of the Enduralast alternator .
I had believed it to be a permanent magnet alternator .If this is the case then it will charge a flat battery and also charge up a capacitor to use in a batteryless system .
Kick starting shouldn't be a problem ,if you have the necessary muscles .
Provided that the alternator does not fly apart ,there is nothing to go wrong with a permanent magnet system ,other than the reg/ rect failing .
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The enduralast was my first choice, but this one came first so I bought it. My evaluation was based on what I've read in reports. I have read of omegas failing too.
If I break down, I go fishing, take a well needed break, etc etc. I never travel with an agenda or timeline. Too dangerous and kills the fun. You see things at 35mph that you don't see at 60 mph and things at 60 you don't see at 80. Life is too short to rush 
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Glad you are happy with your purchase .
I may have misunderstood the workings of the Enduralast alternator .
I had believed it to be a permanent magnet alternator .If this is the case then it will charge a flat battery and also charge up a capacitor to use in a batteryless system .
Kick starting shouldn't be a problem ,if you have the necessary muscles .
Provided that the alternator does not fly apart ,there is nothing to go wrong with a permanent magnet system ,other than the reg/ rect failing .
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If I break down, I go fishing, take a well needed break, etc etc. I never travel with an agenda or timeline. Too dangerous and kills the fun. You see things at 35mph that you don't see at 60 mph and things at 60 you don't see at 80. Life is too short to rush
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I'll drink to that !
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Originally Posted by shadowraven
I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system
Did some research on that charge system.
Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura
Cons of Endura:
1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace
Cons of Omega:
1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed
Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.
Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.
Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.
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Good point!
Poor/bad battery with permenent magnet alternator => no charging... experienced that once on a Kawasaki.
Availability of spares is most important.
If it is legal where you are to register and use your bike consider yet an option, car alternator.
Depending on pulley size you can get full power from idle and up. I have choosen to have full power from around 1800rpm, and charging from around 1000rpm.
Pros:
- choose an alterator that is most common in your area.
- low costs
- much more power than any bike-alterator (I have a 70A, 980W, installed now and plan to install a 90A, 1260W, on my summer bike)
- spares "all over"
- more stabil/balanced idle, similar to the older heavy flywheel
- engine runs a little bit cooler, and there is a fan blowing on the engine-side all the time
- installed on the righthand side of the bike => original alternator can be re-installed
Cons:
- takes about 20h to install
- belt needs tightning every now and then
- addes weight... 10 pounds or so
- installed on the lefthand side of the bike => original alternator mounts have been removed, no reistallment of original alternator possible with this camchain-cover; to re-install the original alternator one will have to get a new cam-chain cover.
Alternator installation, in Swedish - just look at the photos, they "tell the story" and give you all the installation procedures:
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/bilgen.html
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/mont_bilgen.html
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1/6/11 update
Didn't do much today except get a really nice fitting that allows me to refill the 1lb green propane cylinders with a 20lb tank. It should save me a few pennies considering those 1 pound tanks are $4.99 each. I can fill about 20-30 with a 13.99 refill. :clap
It's called a Mr. Heater F276172 1-Pound Disposable Propane Tank Refill Adapter.
Got a clutch as well because mine is the original and grabs when hot.
I took a couple photos of my transmission break that was caused by low torque of the drive shaft bolts when two came out and got jammed. I was considering having it welded but I heard about a product called pyroweld. That will probably solve the issue on the cheap and proper.
A fellow rider is graciously forwarding me an outline for the PD skid-plate. I have an official US Govt surplus sign (not stolen  ) made of heavy aluminum and I'm just going to make my own skid and center stand plate rather than screw with eBay.
It's this thick
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In Maine USA...everything is legal...including marrying your first cousin  
Seriously though. I had briefly concidered doing that alt option for a few minutes but it's too heavy, expensive, exposed to the elements, and again..WAY TOO HEAVY. 
Take a look at a friend of mines mod..800watts
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Originally Posted by dc lindberg
Good point!
Poor/bad battery with permenent magnet alternator => no charging... experienced that once on a Kawasaki.
Availability of spares is most important.
If it is legal where you are to register and use your bike consider yet an option, car alternator.
Depending on pulley size you can get full power from idle and up. I have choosen to have full power from around 1800rpm, and charging from around 1000rpm.
Pros:
- choose an alterator that is most common in your area.
- low costs
- much more power than any bike-alterator (I have a 70A, 980W, installed now and plan to install a 90A, 1260W, on my summer bike)
- spares "all over"
- more stabil/balanced idle, similar to the older heavy flywheel
- engine runs a little bit cooler, and there is a fan blowing on the engine-side all the time
- installed on the righthand side of the bike => original alternator can be re-installed
Cons:
- takes about 20h to install
- belt needs tightning every now and then
- addes weight... 10 pounds or so
- installed on the lefthand side of the bike => original alternator mounts have been removed, no reistallment of original alternator possible with this camchain-cover; to re-install the original alternator one will have to get a new cam-chain cover.
Alternator installation, in Swedish - just look at the photos, they "tell the story" and give you all the installation procedures:
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/bilgen.html
http://www.webstruktur.com/svea/board/artik/mont_bilgen.html |
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Weight -is- an issue.
Your friends installation of the 800W alternator is -awesome- !!!
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[QUOTE=The Raven;318405]In Maine USA...everything is legal...including marrying your first cousin
Seriously though. I had briefly concidered doing that alt option for a few minutes but it's too heavy, expensive, exposed to the elements, and again..WAY TOO HEAVY.
Take a look at a friend of mines mod..800watts
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hi this may be out of date but could you tell me where i can get one of those alt/kits i am in the u/k so post may be a problem. thanks graham.
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they are longer ( or taller whichever way ya wanna look at it....) but it is easy enough to extend the lid of a fuse box, as long as u have the room... I would make every effort possible to use the them, saves a LOT of hassle.
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I may need to do some work in that dept. The fusebox location on the g/s seems like an afterthought. I'll have to look into it.
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I may need to do some work in that dept. The fusebox location on the g/s seems like an afterthought. I'll have to look into it.
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Don't a bloody R80rt then, the bloody things are in the headlamp shell!!, and a pain in the ass to get to...  , I ended up relocating my fuses into the tank box ( it was an ex police R80 and had the radio box built into the top of the gas tank)
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