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Ahem ! Wow ! No thanks !
Coil and points ignition is plenty complicated for me , even Hall effect dodads are black magic .
I thought CANBUS was a new public transport system in Toronto .
Back to my cave I suppose , very happy to be stuck in the stone [ flint ] age .
Whatever happened to hot tube igntion, magnetos and acetylene lamps ?
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Ahem ! Wow ! No thanks !
Coil and points ignition is plenty complicated for me , even Hall effect dodads are black magic .
I thought CANBUS was a new public transport system in Toronto .
Back to my cave I suppose , very happy to be stuck in the stone [ flint ] age .
Whatever happened to hot tube igntion, magnetos and acetylene lamps ?
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Phew, I thought it was only me - luckily I can say: 2nd that...
(Although I am mighty impressed by the CANBUS insight you guys have. It's strange: Just as I learnt how to disassemble a carb and diagnose a misfire feeling on top of the World  I am thrown back into the tar pit just because CANBUS is the new name of the trade...)
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More great and educational stuff Andy 
Although at US GS intro BMW NA said CAN stood for "Control Area Network".
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Some information here: Controller-area network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A year or two later we hear from disgruntled BMW bike owners that no road side diagnoses/repair can be done as you need the proprietary BMW computers to even get to first base on finding any sort of computer/electrical fault.
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Quite a few people have had problems facing the new technology, and sure it can be better but you have more information available in your cockpit then on other bikes.
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Some very unhappy owners in the first couple years of CAN bus. Then, BMW jumped in and "corrected" some of the "logic" in the programs apparently. I don't hear about many CAN bus problems now so it must be working better.
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I’ve not heard of any problems with the can-bus. But I have heard about people that think a broken fuel-pump or ring-antenna is a can-bus problem.
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I love the system in theory .... less wire, less weight/cost (this helps the OEM's more than anyone) and would be OK with as long as the BMW supplied a nice plug-in Black Box in the tool kit to accompany each bike. This along with a manuel for error codes and diagnostic instruction.
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I can see your point and it would have been nice if BMW (or others) did it.
On the other hand no bike comes with a multimeter or a torque-wrench…
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None of this stuff is very hard to grasp in our computer savvy world, so why not let owners have a chance to repair/diagnose stuff without paying the $100 per hour shop rate many shops are charging these days? They could even offer seminars to "new owners" like a computer class.
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The owner has the chance. In few years there will be more owners that are able to analyze electrical problems on their bikes then owners who can adjust valves. Did the shop teach you to adjust valves?
If you want to take a look on how it works, look here: YouTube - GS-911 Diagnostic Tool
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Also, IMO, all electronic components, especially ECU's, should have a 10 year factory warranty, transferable to any new owner. This would prove their commitment to customers and show confidence in the product.
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We have 5 years. That’s a start…
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I've heard various descriptions of what CAN stands for. Area Network is a useful description and in the case I heard it Crap And No good was fair at the time
I've not had much to do with cars, but SAE J1939 the CAN standard goes back to the mid 90's. There were simpler versions before that that could get three or four functions on one wire in the late '80's and I imagine the luxury car people were first.
I've not seen one working, but doesn't the new Tenere have a sort of fault code display on the dash or at least an FI mode set up?
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keep rolling it
One of the most intresting threads i ever come across regarding adventure bikes thanks chaps
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