Hi

I'm planning a Mondo Enduro type tour but going to Vladivostok instead of Magadan due to the impossibility of transit out of Magadan since 2005, although still very much in the thought stage I intend to leave July 2009 , question is would you take an Africa twin? ... a RD04

In that my concern isn't the reliability, its not the maintenance as I know how to fix it having owned a bike with an identical engine, but the sheer weight of the bike, its said to be 210kilos dry and getting heavier as you read this as crash bars went on , and some more bits will tip the scales a tad more.....and I want to stick at least 30 kilos of equipment on it (mostly spares + tent + sleeping + cooking).

It is a collosal bike I put it next to my CBR and the CBR looks like a toy...

I'm thinking of changing it for a 1990s XT600 , or something based on the DR350/400...

My primary concern isn't dropping it as I have refined my technique to pick up any bike (I used to pick bikes up facing them now I do it with my back to the bike)..... but air shipping it as I need to get somehow from Vladivostok or S Korea to the US continent, and from South America over to South Africa, and kilos = £££££, with DR350s and XT600s being at least 60 kilos less weight than the Africa....

My alternative thought is to ship by ship the bike out to Korea, and ride the Russian bit backwards come back through the Stans , and go down to South Africa by land.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

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My thought is this: You own the Africa Twin, it is a proven world tourer, you are familiar with it, why not ride the wheels off it? Sure there are lighter bikes out there. I think you'll find the hardest part of world touring is getting out of town :-). Once you're on the road you'll think any bike is brilliant. Sounds like a fun trip!

Cheers,
John

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South America and back on a 250 Super Sherpa Minimalist Adventure http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831076

The XT600E seems a better bet than the Africa Twin idea. Spare parts for the big Africa Twin will be hard to source and there is more to go wrong with it. You need a basic bulletproof engine - a single air cooled XT is about as simple as it gets. The XT has plenty of power to haul you and your gear round the world and beyond.

The Africa Twin will perform better on tarmac but once the road runs out you will need a lighter more offroad orientated steed. The XT600 ticks all the boxes in this respect -

Completely trustworthy and about as straightforward as motorcycle engines get. The world may now have moved on with liquid-cooling, fuel injection and multi-valve systems, but for honest, trustworthy poke you could drive across deserts, I know which I’d take. The Yamaha XT600E is limited (to about 90mph) as a road bike, though…

Expect to pay about £1,800 for a low milage minter in the UK (private sale). This represents a GREAT deal and you won't find a better "bang for bucks" bike anywhere. You can still find good minters too. You will need to get a Acerbis tank and a good set of luggage. Use a Sheepskin on the O.E.M seat.

If I was intending to do this hardcore RTW on a smaller bike I would look at using a good Suzuki DRZ400. You will need to change narrow the "cheese Wire" seat and add a larger fuel tank though. This is a light little bike which produces about 32 HP - enough to haul you and your gear round the globe in reasonable comfort.

Other bikes worth looking at -

1. KTM 640R (costly)
2. YAMAHA XT660
3. Kawasaki KLR650
4. Honda XR650
5. BMW F650GS (costly)
6. Kawasaki KLE500 (some great deals in the UK for this little gem - £3,000 new).

Finally - Get yourself a copy of Chris Scott's excellently written "Adventure Motorcycling Handbook" it contains everything you need to know - ISBN: 978 1 873756 80 5 (£12.99).

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Triumph Bonneville 800 (2004), Yamaha XT600E (1999), Honda XBR500 (1986).

I had the AT and I was driving it a lot off road, two times in the desert. It is extremely reliable very god off road for as long as there is no mud or sand dunes. But it is hardly to say that it is a "lot of fun" off road, it is more likely to say "it will get you there if you can drive it"

I changed for the old XTZ660 and it is much better off road. You can say that it is "a little fun off road".

So if I was planning for your trip and AT was in my garage, then I would probably go with it, but in the other case, if money was no question the KTM ADV640 1st choice and the new Tenere 660 my 2cnd choice.

If money is an issue, the old XTZ 660 has it all. It is Light, reliable, powerfull for a single, smooth for a single, it has wind protection, and it is very cheap.

Good luck in your prep

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The XT is one of my favorites, but the Africa Twin is a good bike if you take care of the known faults. It’s probably more reliable then a most 15 year old XTs.

The cost of shipping is often based on the volume; will the XT-box be significant smaller?

If you are familiar with your AT then why not use it. It handles pretty well offroad, the bike is usually not the problem….
YouTube - How to handle a Africa Twin

Cool Vid AliBaba, here's the other ide of the coin....

YouTube - XRV in Action

I was going to add to this - I've shipped two bikes across the atlantic now, and there seems to be a ratio when volume takes over from weight or vs.vs. - certainly for air-frieght anyway..

While it was based on weight in both instances for me, it was stepped in bands - eg. under 200Kg, up to 300Kg etc. so (together with the weight of the crate itself) the price wasn't any different as both times the total shipment (inc. crate) was over 200Kg, but under 300Kg...

Have you got quotes from your proposed shippers yet? It might be worth asking what their weight bands are?

xxx

Ha it is not without irony that I was thinking of reducing my luggage load to an absolute minimum ie a single 35 litre top box and a 10 litre tool box on the pillion seat to keep the weight down!.

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hi thank you for your replies,

The thing is I've not had the Africa Twin long , I saw one fairly cheap and bought it 2 days later.. I can probably get rid of it for a bit more than I paid for it since I've cleaned her up a bit and fixed some of the issues on it. As well as added crash bars and such like.

I am pretty sure this bike will take me to the moon and back , TWICE, but the issue is one of shipping more than anything else as with the Africa it appears to cost such an insane amount of money being so big and heavy for shipping that it is out of the running.

Money is sort of an issue though as I have a maximum of £6000-9000 to spend for the entire trip (with 9 months max time) , and thus I can't go out there and buy an F800 BMW. Nor can I ship the Africa anywhere, which means out to Vladivostok and back (bit too hard core for me) and curl down in to Africa.....


I originally thought a heavy bike will be able to handle hefty luggage better than a small bike (with their weak subframes) as on any bike I decide to take I'll need to add fuel tanks , tools camping/cooking kit.

completely forgetting about the shipping issues!. But as the time draws near and as I read the HUBB more , it appears as if the Africa isn't that good a choice.


Thanks

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