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2 Jul 2017
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I have owned 2015 crf250l for a year, and it was pretty beaten up when I sold it. Under powered, soft (susp), heavy and delicate bike. The only good thing it was cheap - no, actually for riding to church on Sunday morning it was not that bad at all.
wr250r I have only test ridden, before I got crf250l, a bit stiffer suspension but still for me not good enough. I liked crf engine.torque better, wr you had to rev it. In Europe the price difference was huge, like almost 3k dollars. For few more HP and a bit better susp not worthy. Did I mention yamaha ugly dash display? Also reliability of wr250r dropped, fuel pump and stator failures for instance.
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All true and a good evaluation of the CRF250L!   
It's true that neither CRF or WR has much power. Not ideal for any serious enduro riding (I prefer my old 2 strokes!)
Maybe in EU you can make road legal a Honda 450 CRF or WR450, convert to travel bike? Those bikes are cheap to buy used here in USA.
Correct, WR250's have had some issues but most owners have Zero problems based on the big ADV threads ... but the WR450's have been really good based on racer feed back ... even SuperMoto guys get a lot of life out of the 450 engine.
In USA it's now hard to make legal a 450 class bike if it was originally a race bike. The VIN gives it away and our DMV's block you registering it. So can be a dead end.
You can find road legal Husky or KTM in the 450 class, but new are over $10K USD and used ... tend to be quite used up. A good mechanic could rebuild an older KTM ... would be a great ADV bike, very good off road.
For me at this stage (  I don't need so much power ... but at times power is nice ... and the 450 is barely heavier than the 250! In deep sand I have struggled on a 250. Here the 450 just pulls through nicely. Big ups for that sort of use!
The advantages of the WR250R for me are: mostly very reliable, lighter than my DR650 by about 70 lbs. Great elec. output, good to load up with luggage. Tough. Gearing is highway friendly, can cruise beautifully at 65 to 70 MPH all day and it's easy to gear lower for off road. (change front sprocket) Lots I DO NOT know about the WR at this point ... hoping to learn more here on this thread.
You are correct ... (or so I've heard) that the WR250R needs revving to make power. I did not test the WR in serious off road so can only rely of comments of other WR riders who verify this shortcoming. With a loaded up bike for travel, this could be a Black Mark if in challenging, super steep uphill terrain. So not perfect ...
But I'm just not going to pay for a KTM or Husky. My travel bikes are EXPENDALE and will live a hard life ... then die. So better to sacrifice a relatively inexpensive USED bike than an expensive KTM or Husky.
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But I'm just not going to pay for a KTM or Husky. My travel bikes are EXPENDALE and will live a hard life ... then die. So better to sacrifice a relatively inexpensive USED bike than an expensive KTM or Husky.

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I hear you, I am close to get new ktm 500 exc 2017 or Beta 480RR (both street legal) and yes they're damn expensive for throwing around in dirt  But buying used dirt bike is kinda risky.
They're actually more expensive then my adventure bikes, weird...
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For me at this stage (  I don't need so much power ... but at times power is nice ... and the 450 is barely heavier than the 250! In deep sand I have struggled on a 250. Here the 450 just pulls through nicely. Big ups for that sort of use!
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exactly, I don't need tons of power either, but some practical minimum is necessary, especially when bike is heavy like crf250l. I have changed front and rear sprocket (13/42) to be able ride in sand at all but still bike was shaking and baking in deep s#$t. It's a shame there is no dual sport bike with proper power to weight ratio and we have to buy racing bikes. Actually the closest match would be DRZ400, only it's dated a bit.
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4 Jul 2017
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WR250R.
Cons. : Cost (in UK)
Service Interval - 3000 mile for lube
Water Cooled.
Pros : Power
Light Weight
Powerful Generator
I have a TT250R
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4 Jul 2017
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Originally Posted by Livotlout
WR250R.
Cons. : Cost (in UK)
Service Interval - 3000 mile for lube
Water Cooled.
Pros : Power
Light Weight
Powerful Generator
I have a TT250R 
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If buying in the UK, no question the little XT's and TTR 250's are the go. I've heard many positive reviews on these simple, tough and reliable bikes.
You can buy a new XT250 here in USA but they aren't all that cheap used.
The service interval for Oil change at 3K miles is about right ... and I'd follow that number for most dual sport singles. (including my DR650) With quality
synthetic oil you may push that interval in mild, slow riding.
One note on the WR250R is valve check interval. 26,000 miles. 
Most find valves in spec at that time. But not as easy to do as on your TT, XT's or DR650!
Water cooled. As rider of DR650 (Oil/Air cooled) I can relate to this, love simplicity of air cooled.
So yes, Water Cooled can be a negative, but not so much if you add radiator guards. In all my reading up on WR I've come across very few busted Radiators due to crash damage ... but of course ... can happen.
You can also bust a hose, have a water pump fail. Rare, but could happen.
Power: Yes, for a stock 250, WR is not too bad, but there are many 250's that make more power. Most KTM or Husky put out more HP ... but not reliable going 30,000 miles without much care. And, of course all two strokes make more power too.
The good news on the WR is that it makes fair power but still returns good economy. (60 to 70 MPG, depending)
Weight:
The WR is lighter than my DR650 ... but it's not all that light compared to some other more race oriented bikes. In fact, I'm thinking your TTR may weigh less than the WR250R?? (not sure) Good news for me is that the WR "feels" lighter than my DR650 (in fact, WR is about 70 lbs. lighter than my DR650!) and I can actually lift it up easily!
Generator output is a big plus to me too. My DR only puts out 200 Watts total.
Comfort:
I'll add this in. For a stock bike, the WR is quite comfortable. Add a seat pad or Seat Concepts ... and you've got close to all day comfort. I was shocked how OK the stock seat felt.
But the real advantage (IMO) the WR250 has over many other 250's in the class is suspension and chassis design. For a stock 250 the suspension is not too bad and chassis really handles well.
The rear shock needs work but the forks only need a lighter oil and some careful adjustment. The shock is harsh ... needs a re-valve. But most ALL bikes need suspension work, so no surprise. WR Handles rough tracks better than many other bikes ... even larger, fancy $$$$ bikes. Tracks straight over ruts, goes where you point it. Very easy to ride off road, no stress.
Cost:
Even in USA/Canada the WR250R is quite expensive, either new or used.
But if you're in for the long haul, probably worth the price if you use the bike
as intended.
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5 Jul 2017
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A bunch of my friends have gone to the WR 250s now, most of these guys are into their 60s and looking for something a little lighter.. I helped a friend set his up for Adventure by adding the bigger of the 2 IMS tanks which really extended the reach of the bike and I also helped him with luggage ideas..
I rode one up a very steep rocky climb for another friend who had tired himself out and the bike did ok, even for my 200+lbs.. The WRs that my group have picked up used here usually run between $4000-$5000 CAD and are low mileage examples... I could of picked up a good luggage equipped unit last year with low mileage for $4200.. Personally I am waiting for something in the 400CC range, if Yamaha puts out something similar in that size I would be all over it..
In B.C. it costs the same to insure a 400 as it does a 250 so it makes sense to go with the bigger displacement and have a less stressed engine for loaded up travel... A couple guys from Vancouver are touring some of the rough bits of the planet on a pair of the WRs and have done OK, though at times they were wishing for more poke... One of the bikes suffered a meltdown at around 30,000 KM and required a full engine rebuild, the other I believe is still on original engine parts.. All in all a good bike that could be a great bike with 30% more displacement..
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Yea, it could use more poke for sure. And yes, better old guy bike! (I hope)
Yamaha fans been begging for a WR450R for years. So far, Yamaha has not responded.
I believe it's because they can't sell a 450 as easily in World Markets like they can the 250. USA/Canada too small a market to justify big investment.
There are thousands of posts on ADV Rider about WR250R engine upgrades, with several kits available up to about 330cc. (at least 3 different kits out there that I've read about) I've read at least 10 reports from guys who've done it.
Mostly all good feedback.
I've no idea how much better a 330cc kit would be ... and of course guys who did it rave about how much better it is. Natural bias?
it's hard to know just how much better it might be.
But to me, more important issue would be ... is the engine reliable with an over bore? Using a non stock piston/ring set? I seriously question critical NON Japanese internal engine parts. Seen a few failures on other bikes.
Fine for the Weekend warrior, but maybe not for the RTW traveler? 
I'd need convincing to go the overbore kit route ... but it could happen I guess.
Will be interesting to see what bikes in this CC range come along. I'm betting Chinese OEM's have they're eye on things in this segment. But poor marketing and basically no one trusts Chinese bikes, no matter how cheap. Shame, cause I know a few are far better than a few years ago.
Our moto reality is changing fast. Who knows what is coming down the line.
Not so much a concern for me, I buy used ... so limited to established, proven ... and not too expensive bikes. WR250R has been around unchanged since '08 with a very solid reputation.
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Yamaha fans been begging for a WR450R for years. So far, Yamaha has not responded.
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yeah, yamaha and honda suck big time recent years (suzuki, kawaski are not better) Currently I'm about to get to KTM 500 exc because nothing to choose from Japanese companies. As you said we asked for lighter ~500cc dual sport bike and we got nothing from ymaha. From honda we got even bigger, heaver Africa Twin
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