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I love the concept, could be a great alternative to the crf250l indeed! would be awesome if it come available with 125 and 300cc versions ! Could be an awesome beginner bike or for some market really demanding on these types of displacements !

(But even with this eventually on the market, I would do the same choice of a husqy 701, which is less than 150kg dry... even if not adventure ready straight out of the box !)
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I love the concept, could be a great alternative to the crf250l indeed! would be awesome if it come available with 125 and 300cc versions ! Could be an awesome beginner bike or for some market really demanding on these types of displacements !

(But even with this eventually on the market, I would do the same choice of a husqy 701, which is less than 150kg dry... even if not adventure ready straight out of the box !)
Hi Numer0 - yes, if you're going by on-paper spec/top trumps, the current Husky 701/KTM 690 (new model) is very hard to beat... and all the time they are in production, are likely to be considered the sub 150Kg 'performance' off-road benchmark.

However, those bikes are considerably more expensive that this 125/300X is likely to be, and also have a towering seat-height in comparison. Historical fuel injection (and other) issues not withstanding, as you say - both the Austrian* uber-enduros are also going to require a degree of civilising before they are going to be as comfortable and painless to own too - especially if longer-distance multi-day travelling is your goal.

*They have the same parents ;o)

Personally I don't think it's particularly realistic to compare a 30hp 300cc 'adventure' bike with something that makes twice that power and was designed for a very different purpose (open class enduro/rally riding) - I'm just glad that there is an increasing range of options out there that ought to suit a wider range of ADV and travel riders?

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Hi Numer0 - yes, if you're going by on-paper spec/top trumps, the current Husky 701/KTM 690 (new model) is very hard to beat... and all the time they are in production, are likely to be considered the sub 150Kg 'performance' off-road benchmark.

However, those bikes are considerably more expensive that this 125/300X is likely to be, and also have a towering seat-height in comparison. Historical fuel injection (and other) issues not withstanding, as you say - both the Austrian* uber-enduros are also going to require a degree of civilising before they are going to be as comfortable and painless to own too - especially if longer-distance multi-day travelling is your goal.

*They have the same parents ;o)

Personally I don't think it's particularly realistic to compare a 30hp 300cc 'adventure' bike with something that makes twice that power and was designed for a very different purpose (open class enduro/rally riding) - I'm just glad that there is an increasing range of options out there that ought to suit a wider range of ADV and travel riders?

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Well, after all, you're right. it is not really to be compared with some rally machines, and the prices would be really different. The fact that the 701 is good for me and my long legs (and money and time spent civilizing it) doesn't mean it is what everyone needs... Eventhough I love this bike so much that I recommend it to everyone as soon as the occasion occurs... but after all, to each his own!

Anyway, I hope those bikes come to production, to widen a bit more the possibilities spectrum of travel bike choice!It is always a good thing, and surely I'll go and give it a try at my local dealership if they ever have one.
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this bike could pave the way for some serious do it all machines, will be interesting to see how it fares against a ktm 390 adventure but I'd put my money on the honda.

It would be great to have a race series for these bikes similar to the adv class in some uk big bike rallys.
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So, could that chassis also be used for a CB500 motor?
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So, could that chassis also be used for a CB500 motor?
Unlikely (although anything can be made to fit if you try hard enough ;o)

The CB125/300R share the same frame, but that is because they were designed to be a small compact single-cylinder machine in the first place.

While the Rebel 500 and 300 also share the same frame, the frame itself was designed to accommodate the CB500 engine, and therefore there is a lot more free space around the 300cc single in that version.

If Honda do ever build a more focussed dual-sport/adventure bike around the CB500 engine (a Trans-Alp as it were, if not a full-on CRF500L/X), then the bike itself will have to be physically that bit larger to accommodate the engine, ancillaries and for the cycle parts to handle the extra power and torque of the larger engine etc. etc.

That is not to say it would not share a family resemblance to the concept bike above, but you're not going to see anything other than a single cylinder in the particular platform above.

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