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China via Laos
I think I've read through virtually every China thread going back 6 or 7 years, so forgive me this question if I've managed to miss it being answered.
I want to go to China by way of Laos. Permit/guide/plates/expensive etc etc. I know all this stuff.
What I want to know is if anyone has just tried their luck at the border going it alone. Any stories? What do they ask for? What do they say when they kick you out? What did you provide if you went in by yourself and they let you? I read of a biker getting in by Kyrgyzstan many years ago just by luck. Are there similar stories in the ether going through Laos?
I am not riding; I have a car, obviously not registered in China.
Second part of the question: Does anyone know of out-of-the-way border posts in Laos that might be easier to bully through than Mengla?
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Adam
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I think I've read through virtually every China thread going back 6 or 7 years, so forgive me this question if I've managed to miss it being answered.
I want to go to China by way of Laos. Permit/guide/plates/expensive etc etc. I know all this stuff.
What I want to know is if anyone has just tried their luck at the border going it alone. Any stories? What do they ask for? What do they say when they kick you out? What did you provide if you went in by yourself and they let you? I read of a biker getting in by Kyrgyzstan many years ago just by luck. Are there similar stories in the ether going through Laos?
I am not riding; I have a car, obviously not registered in China.
Second part of the question: Does anyone know of out-of-the-way border posts in Laos that might be easier to bully through than Mengla?
Thanks!
Adam
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Hi Adam
Try looking in ride asia . net few people have posted there.
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Hi Adam
1. you need a letter of invitation
2. you need a Chinese number plate
3. you need a chinese driver license
4. you need a guide in the car (when travelling by your own car)
And this is all before you reach the border.
A Visa this you could get at the border if you do not have a chinese embassy in your country. (new)
As for bullying through I suppose if you speak the language perfectly you may have a 25% change.
However the reality is that you are trying to push water uphil?
Get in contact with a agent in China, pay the (extraordinaire) money and enjoy China. Please believe me this is not Africa where a bribe gets you a piece of paper.
This is like the USA NO PAPERWORK NO ENTRY.
I suppose this is also why you did not receve any answers you wanted to hear.
Cheers
Robert
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Originally Posted by hodgea
I think I've read through virtually every China thread going back 6 or 7 years, so forgive me this question if I've managed to miss it being answered.
I want to go to China by way of Laos. Permit/guide/plates/expensive etc etc. I know all this stuff.
What I want to know is if anyone has just tried their luck at the border going it alone. Any stories? What do they ask for? What do they say when they kick you out? What did you provide if you went in by yourself and they let you? I read of a biker getting in by Kyrgyzstan many years ago just by luck. Are there similar stories in the ether going through Laos?
I am not riding; I have a car, obviously not registered in China.
Second part of the question: Does anyone know of out-of-the-way border posts in Laos that might be easier to bully through than Mengla?
Thanks!
Adam
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Get the paperwork, join up with fellow travellers and share the costs of a guide, we have a 4WD with 8 bikers, the 4WD is taking the guide, thus saving the cost of a driver and car
That said, you may end up like us, less than a month before we enter and the Chinese gov changed the rules and moved the goal posts. We are now madly trying to cut new paper so we can still do the trip, but it means a big detour via Mongolia
But that said, this is adventure travelling, a nightmare and nerve wracking at times, but that is part of the journey
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China to Laos
Hi TS
We are at present in China.
We are told that the closure of some area's and the restrictions in Tibet all have to do with the upcoming elections.
This does not help you but I am advised the first ones to know are the tour companies.
Mongolia is not a ba part of the world however it is very overated in my book.
As you drive a bike BE AWARE POT HOLES and Corrugations.
Good spot to stay in UB is the Oasis Guest house.
Ehrenhot border is easy, however make sure you get the pink paper(manifest) sgned on the Mongolia side. Without it you can't enter China. Ask for a copy via your tour company.
Enjoy
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Thanks all for the replies, but I'm really looking for anyone who's gone up and had a go without all of the official paperwork. I understand the official requirements; that's what prompted this question in the first place. I would like to hear from people like this guy (taken from another thread):
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Actually it looks like mine good fortune. I have been in China and Tibet with my own Africa Twin 6 years ago. I did it alone with Chinese visa in my passport only. No guides, no plates, no money for nothing. The only gate I can recommend is Druzhba (Kazakhstan). This is a very small crossing used by trucks and trains from Kaz to Urumqi. People never had seen a tourists before I appeared there. I would have a spare choice in cause of doing it again. I am not sure if it is working now or closed. Now I am planning my next trip to Australia through Southern Asia. That is why I think about the China again.
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xt1200z: Have you seen anything specific about this on Ride Asia? I had a good look through but couldn't find anything beyond getting a guide at the Boten border.
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I sort of did that when I rode up to the China border in Laos, I wasn't really chancing my arm at going through but just went to take a look. When I arrived, there were a few grumpy officials sat outside the post, one of whom asked for my China visa which I didn't have. His hand gesture more or less implied 'well f*** off then' so I took that as a 'no'.
However, if people have solved missing carnet stamps with carved up potatoes etc then who knows, with a genuine visa maybe it would be possible without the guides/plates at a remote border but I don't think you'll get a hard and fast answer for your question. And then as Pecha72 says, what happens once you do get inside or are trying to leave via a more effective border?
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Thanks all for the replies, but I'm really looking for anyone who's gone up and had a go without all of the official paperwork. I understand the official requirements; that's what prompted this question in the first place. I would like to hear from people like this guy (taken from another thread):
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What I want to know is if anyone has just tried their luck at the border going it alone. Any stories? What do they ask for? What do they say when they kick you out?
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There was a dude, who wrote great trip reports on gt-rider.com forums after managing to sneak into China from Laos. BUT this was 5-6 years ago, and he did it on a Chinese-registered small bike (that he´d bought in Thailand).
But maybe it was possible because the officials mistook him for a local (if he just ´flew under the radar´ and pushed his bike across the border without taking his helmet off or something)... with a car with foreign plates, sure you can give it a go, but I´m afraid you are almost guaranteed to be turned back.
And remember, even if you succeeded, then your vehicle would be illegally in the country, so it is likely to be confiscated, if you´re busted later on.
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