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NEW Canada / USA Carnet Issuing Authority!
GOOD NEWS just in from the Canadian Automobile Association, the former Carnet Issuing Authority for Canada AND the USA:
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December 16, 2015
For immediate release
FIA Carnet de passages en Douane Issuer for North America Appointed
CAA is pleased to announce the new issuing authority for the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Carnet de passages en Douane (CPD) in North America.
The FIA has appointed the Corporation for International Business (a.k.a.) Boomerang Carnets based in Barrington, Illinois as its new Service Provider of CPD services for Canada and the U.S.. CPD processing and distribution services will be offered under the brand name Boomerang Carnets to take on the task of administering the FIA Carnet program for AAA and CAA members as well as non-members in both the U.S. and Canada.
The Corporation for International Business' founding family has a history in the international trade and transportation industries dating back to the early 1900s. A long-time issuer of the commercial ATA Carnets, Boomerang Carnets will use this experience to expand its portfolio to include the FIA Carnet de passages en Douane for tourism purposes.
Prospective FIA Carnet customers are invited to use the following contact information:
Boomerang Carnets C/O
Corporation for International Business (CIB)
325 North Hough Street, 2nd Floor
Barrington, IL 60010 USA
Carnet HelpLine 1-800-282-2900?
Mobile Carnet HelpLine 1-847-638-8325
Fax: 1-847-381-3857
The contact information form can also be used for enquiries located at:
Contact Us | ATA Carnet or (edited for web security) at
carnets {{at}} atacarnet.com
Current holders of existing CAA issued Carnets must, on their expiry, return them for discharge to:
CAA National Office
500-1545 Carling Avenue
Ottawa, Ontario, K1Z 8P9, Canada
Should a replacement Carnet be required, it must be requested from Boomerang Carnets.
CAA is a federation of nine clubs providing over 6 million Members with exceptional emergency roadside service, complete automotive and travel services, member savings and comprehensive insurance services. CAA also advocates on issues of concern to its members, including road safety, the environment, mobility, infrastructure and consumer protection.
For further information, please contact:
David Steventon
Senior Manager Standards, Accreditation & Automotive Services
CAA National Office
(613) 247-1007 ext 2015
dsteventon {{a}} national.caa.ca
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16 Dec 2015
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Awesome news! I just posted a link to the letter in this thread Grant - feel free to delete the attachment if you'd like.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...k-rac-68191-12
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17 Dec 2015
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good news but its a shame the budget worksheet doesn't function...so no way to calculate costs without getting in touch!!!
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17 Dec 2015
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Canada / USA Carnet Issuing Authority
Great news!!!!
Just called the Carnet HelpLine, was told that they don't have any info yet and was informed that they will start in January 2016.
I hope that they will issue Carnets for vehicles not registered in Canada or USA.
Cheers to everybody.
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17 Dec 2015
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Awesome! My poor bike is probably still too cheap to qualify but I get to check!
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18 Dec 2015
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Originally Posted by Victor
Great news!!!!
Just called the Carnet HelpLine, was told that they don't have any info yet and was informed that they will start in January 2016.
I hope that they will issue Carnets for vehicles not registered in Canada or USA.
Cheers to everybody.
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Victor, is there NO carnet issuing authority in Mexico? If not, then according to the FIA rules, they can issue to Mexico - or any country without an issuing authority - whether they will of course is up to them, so ask now and get it on their radar - let us know what they say!
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CPDs in US and Canada - more info
Thanks to all who have expressed interest in our recent appointment as the CPD service provider in the US and Canada. We have just posted some information on our ATA Carnet website to help applicants.
CPD blog post
There is also an informational page about CPDs there.
As mentioned in the discussion, we will begin issuing CPDs in January 2016. The best way to get an application started is to send an email to Info@ATACarnet.com with the following information:
CPD CARNET INQUIRY FORM
Resident of:
FULL NAME (S):
Permanent home address:
Home telephone numbers:
E-mail address:
List of countries to be visited:
Reason for travel: (tourism, business, study, etc.)
Date of departure: Click here to enter a date.
Date of return: Click here to enter a date.
DESCRIPTION OF VEHICLE
The following vehicle particulars must be correctly given or delay in the carnet issuance procedure may occur!
Registered in (country):
Value of vehicle at time of purchase:
Value now:
Year of manufacture:
Make of vehicle:
Chassis No.: (VIN):
Happy and Safe Travels to All!
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good news but its a shame the budget worksheet doesn't function...so no way to calculate costs without getting in touch!!!
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Apologies about that. The quote worksheet is for ATA Carnets only though. We do not have one for CPDs yet. Thank you for your interest. We are just getting started and hope everyone will bear with us as we ramp up.
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I took a peek at the website. I paid nearly $750 CAD for my last carnet. This seems a lot cheaper, $225 USD and $20 per in/out voucher as far as I can see? Makes it a LOT cheaper to travel ....
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Wondering how bikes are valued and in which currency fees are paid. According the US, Canada values? According to the French FIA, values is between 100% and 250% depending on country visited, and with a minimum value of up to 3850 euros for Egypt ($5,5k canadian) which might look excessive when riding a beat up KLR ;-)
"CAUTION pour le CARNET de PASSAGES en DOUANE
La caution s’élève à 100% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus TTC) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 2300 euros pour un véhicule dont la valeur Argus ne dépasse pas 2300 euros (véhicule ancien).
IRAN : 150% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 3200 euros
EGYPTE : 250% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 3850 euros
FRAIS de Délivrance Carnet de Passage en Douane : 104 euros auxquels vous devrez ajouter 36,50 euros + 10 euros d’adhésion à l’ACF."
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In the past - and everything and anything can change - value OF THE BIKE (all in local currency) was essentially "blue book" or if in doubt a valuation by a dealer, OR a recent bill of sale will do.
That's the base valuation. Then, depending on the country you're travelling to, the Carnet fee could be based on a rate of nothing for a country that doesn't charge duty (can't think of any offhand!), or 10%, or 600% depending on a couple of factors.
1: Primarily, Customs Duty and other fees charged by the country to import a vehicle. So if country X's fees and duty come to 100%, then the Carnet needs to have a valuation of 100% of the vehicle value PLUS 100% of the value. So, that means a $10,000 motorcycle is valued at $20,000 for the purpose of the carnet IF you want to go to country X. NOTE: Choose your countries wisely, BUT always have as many countries as possible that are below your highest desired country so you have ALTERNATE ROUTES if it all goes to hell in a hand basket. 911 was a classic with everyone scrambling to get around instead of through the Middle East. Many had to fly their bikes as they hadn't planned alternate routes.
2: However - and here's the annoying bit - some countries such as India and Egypt both of which have high duty rates, are ALSO a nightmare to deal with.
Their paperwork trail is total rubbish, so they make claims to the FIA, saying that a bike entered on a carnet and didn't leave. In reality the bike DID leave but they are unable to match to the two pieces of paper, so they claim. Then the carnet issuing authority contacts the owner, who has to PROVE that he did leave the country with the bike. This is done by showing entry into another country AFTER leaving the claiming country, and ideally, by showing a carnet stamp into his/her home country. ALWAYS get your home country to stamp your bike in, even though they don't require it and think you're crazy. Get it done at the border on arrival!
So next the Carnet issuing authority deals with the FIA and the country claiming, and goes back and forth trying to prove all is well. In other words they waste a lot of time, which equals money, so they CHARGE YOU MORE to issue a carnet for those problem countries. At one point India was 600% from one authority.
Minimum values - I don't have a clue what the current is, but it will be whatever someone decides it will be - in other words enough to make doing the paperwork worthwhile! Don't forget it IS a lot of paperwork for the carnet issuing authority to do. "YOU" are enough of a problem with often a million questions, but then if there is a problem, they have to deal with that too - and they don't charge extra for all of that. It's NOT a government service - it's a for profit business and they need to make a little money.
Hope that helps!
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A little sanity check please….was quoted $775US for one year CPD, not including the bond (insurance) fee or outright deposit for my moto. This would be for AUS.
This would be my first CPD - is that in line cost wise? For some reason I was thinking it would be far less - like $2-300.
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Who was it from, the new USA folks, Boomerang?
I THINK 775 is a little high, but 2-300 is definitely low. BUT maybe I'm stuck in a different era when bikes were 5,000 for the top of the line not 25,000! Maybe this is the "new" price.
I'd be very interested to see what the fees are from elsewhere?
Remember that's ALL they get to keep for all the work they do, and it's not a trivial amount of effort.
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I paid $846CAD on Feb 12, 2013 for mine. That was for a small bike ($5K minimum value) and without the bond, but for a carnet for all countries except Africa.
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Quote:
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Who was it from, the new USA folks, Boomerang?
I THINK 775 is a little high, but 2-300 is definitely low. BUT maybe I'm stuck in a different era when bikes were 5,000 for the top of the line not 25,000! Maybe this is the "new" price.
I'd be very interested to see what the fees are from elsewhere?
Remember that's ALL they get to keep for all the work they do, and it's not a trivial amount of effort.
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Thanks Grant! Yes, it was Boomerang. I had no concrete basis really for the $2-300 guesstimate, other than I thought I had read or come across that figure in another post or source. Anyway, it just stuck in my head and probably outdated. Didn't mean to imply or insinuate it was out of line - just purely my ignorance as it's my first CPD and I was just trying to gain a little more insight from those who had used the NA CAA source in the past.
My bike is one of those in the lower $5-6K value…
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