Ted, you're such a tease, I was thinking of hanging up my helmet until I read this.

Regards, Mick

Don't you dare hang up that helmet...

There's plenty of devilishness left in you....

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Talked yesterday on the German HU meeting with a Belgian guy going to Iran - Pakistan - India who first tried to get a Carnet in Belgium and had to deposit over 20.000 Euro for his bike.
He went to the ADAC in Germany and got a Carnet there for less than 200 Euro and a deposit of 3000 Euro (value bike < 15000 Euro).


I know that if I order a carnet from the Dutch automobile club it will be ordered from the German ADAC anyway. Seems to me all countries are getting the Carnet from Germany. Think you Brits can do the same.

Best,
Leo




http://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/Carnet%2...isch_18337.pdf

Carnets aren't as difficult or expensive as people think...

The trick is having a CHEAP bike.

I have a carnet for Egypt and it was 800%.. My bike was valued (LIE), at £1000 so my carnet amount was £8000.

I got a bank guarantee from Barclays and it cost me about £250 in charges. The carnet document was another £200 or something.

That's about 450 in total...

The bank guarantee is by far the cheapest but you need a good relationship with you bank and it helps to have all your money with them.

I borrowed £6000 off my mum six weeks before I applied and they were happy with that. As soon as I got the carnet I gave it back to her.

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I'm a little confused about carnets. I thought as a UK resident i could apply for one that was a %age of the value of the bike(mine cost £2000) and that would cover the international journey and border crossings ??

I haven't read anything about going to my bank until now?


ninothedude - there is a thread here regarding a trip through China that is looking to share the cost of a Chinese guide.. UK to Thailand

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Hi guys, been reading this with interest and have a couple of questions, how long is a carnet valid for also if it costs a percentage of the bikes value what's to stop people from making a 4grand bike or whatever look like a 500quid rat? Who decides the value of your pride and joy?

Carnets...............


A carnet is a security deposit for the value of your bike...

It is designed to stop people illegally importing vehicles in to a county. You risk losing your security deposit if you do.

The carnet is a big book. Each page represents a country that you might visit.

When you enter a country, the official stamps it. When you leave, it's also stamped. that way you can prove you have LEFT the country WITH your vehicle. That's the important part. If you don't get your exit stamp, that country will assume the bike hasn't left and has been imported so they will make a claim against whoever issued the carnet for their % amount.

Now, each country sets it's own percentage. Most are 100%, 200% .. Crazy places like Egypt are 800%. Which is ludicrous.

To get the carnet book you have to leave the said deposit with a trusted organisation. In the UK it's the RAC.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!

Let's imagine you have a bike which is worth £4000 and you want to go to Kenya which might have a 200% carnet.

You need to leave £8000 deposit with the RAC before they will issue you that carnet. If you want to go to Egypt which is 800% you would have to leave 8x£4000 which is £24000..

CRAZY HUH !!!


Now this is how you make it affordable.

1) You get someone to guarantee payment for that amount of money. A 'bank guarantee' is in affect is a giant loan with your bank that they will chase you for if a country can prove that you didn't remove your vehicle (no stamp) and makes a claim against you.

A bank will usually charge you about £300 for this but they can be tricky to obtain unless you have a good credit history and some money tucked away.

2) You can an insurance policy for the amount of money. Just like any insurance, they take a premium against the risk that you might or might not have a country claim against you. This is the most common. Expect to pay about £800 for a £8000 carnet value.

3) You get a CHEAP bike. The lower the value of the bike, the lower the value of the deposit. A £1000 bike in Egypt needs a £8000 deposit. A £10,000 bike needs a £80,000 deposit. Egypt is 800% remember. In ALL cases, the cheaper the bike, the lower the cost.

Most people will undervalue their bike when filling in the forms. The RAC are Okay with this as long as it is realistic and believable. They will never believe a brand new 1200GS is worth £500.

They will believe that a ten year old DRZ400 is worth £800 instead of £3000.


Get it ????



To anser simenus's question specifically...... YOU tell the RAC the value of your bike and hope that they believe you. They ARE NOT stupid though. If they smell a rat, they will just go on autotrader and check.

My DRZ400 was worth about £2500 with all the mods. I claimed it was worth £1000 because an old battered DRZ400 'could' be worth £1000. It's up to you to put in a realistic amount and be able to prove it if required.

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