G'day guys,

Quick question: For a trip like this, how many pages would we need for a carnet? Sorry if it's an obvious question, but please indulge the new guy!

I'm not sure if it's like a passport where you can fit a bunch of ins/outs on a page or one per country import/export... 5, 10 or 25?

I tried a web search but no dice, which was surprising!

Thanks,
Spook

I'm actually doing Africa without a Carnet. I know of a few people and they got round completely fine... paying around $100 in temporary import permits for a round drip of down the West and then up the East. Seems fine... unless your going to Egypt. I think you need it for Egypt.

When I was looking in to getting a Carnet the RAC wanted £1500 off me for my little moped which cost me £450. I did some research, saw it was fine to do all of Africa without one, apart from Egypt and thought 'do I really want to go to Egypt that much?' So I changed my route.

Would be a different story for a car/4x4. But if you want to get one you would need a 25 page Carnet.

Check out he thread of people who went without one.

Cheers.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...0-tenere-64769

I'm up for that. Think mid November will be when I'm floating around Morocco. I'll keep watching to see where you guys are

Hi, I'm in around Marrakesh now and considering to stay here for a week or so - looking for anyone keen to do Western Sahara end of Oct/early Nov. Otherwise I might hang around and wait for the group? Send me a PM if you're keen. On a 690KTM, heading south for Cape Town

Hi guys
I'm getting some visas in Madrid, I hope to be on the road on November 8th, so I could pick up the visas Mauritania and Mali in Rabat, Monday 10th.

Liamparkin - Titbird - Ténéré Traveller Mike - Spooka - Garnaro ... maybe someone else? sounds great

I'll be following your respective progress the next two weeks, and as Toni says, Essaouira is a good meeting point!.
I know the south and places to eat and camping.
Keep in touch and take care.

reegards - BARAKA

Esteban

LIAMPARKIN - I'm actually doing Africa without a Carnet.

Do not worry, it's not a big problem, I'm also without the Carnet (CPD)
a friend of mine did all the western route to Cape Town and then made the route east to Israel only about 4 months ago.
My friend told me that is most important for cars, trucks and 4x4.
In some border controls (not required at all) make a document called "Passavant" temporary importation of vehicles.

Sans carnet it is!

Just curious Esteban, which visas are you picking up before leaving the continent?

Nigeria, DR Congo and Angola...

Hi Kruguer64

Did je cross egypt? Please give us details of his route on the way up

Surfy

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The route will be Sudan (Khartoum) - Port Sudan (Suakin) boat to Jedahh (Saudi Arabia) to the Jordanian border and finally Israel, Ferry from Haifa to Salerno (Italy). Ferry seven days, a little boring.
When you are in Sudan, you have to apply for visa to Jordan, then it goes to the embassy of Saudi Arabia and show them your visa to Jordan, and they give you three days transit visa.
Long enough to reach the south of Jordan.
Not very bad road, about 1500 km.

Hey guys - I'm going to be about 150 km south of Essaouira in Taghzout in middle of November, but I will come up to meet you guys when you get there.

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Hey Garnaro
About me, I'm still working on the final details of my bike.
I'm excited and looking forward to the imminent start of my trip, is only the arrival of my passport with visas.
I have no news about the group for a few days, just what I read here.
I think when they are in route they will write their progress here.
when I'm coming to that area (Taghzout)'ll let you know to meet you.

Cheers

Esteban

Slightly 'off topic' for this thread but if you guys using GPS with Mapsource would save your tracks T4a would welcome them. That is how T4a produce their wonderful maps etc - they are based on real input from folks who have travelled the roads and tracks.
Contact me if you need more information.

Margaret

That is really offropic here. I`m shure i`m not the only one who is thinking about if it is ok to pay 90 bucks for T4A - but to provide the recorded tracks for free. Why not sharing them to OSM (openstreetmaps), where the user works together for free?

I understand that T4A never got this quality of maps without going a commercial way... But.. Now there are Wiki based projects who are free.

Want to say, i`m willing to pay 90 bucks for T4A - but i`m not willing to record and share tracks for T4A for free.

Some years ago there was no alternative to T4A.. But today, with OSM, GoogleMaps, Google Offline Satellite view... Till now OSM honestly dont have this coverage specially in east africa... But any day the coverage is growing.

For shure - this discussion don`t fits here.

Surfy

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I just compleated this trip a couple of months ago
my recomendations are

1. have the 2 mitchalin maps, north and central...gps are good in citys, but out in the bush the maps are better...and dont break ( buying a gps in accra was 3 times the cost of europe and not as good quality, and real real hard to find, only in Accra will you find a garmin in west africa)

2. get a carnet, it will work out cheaper and a lot easyer, we meet guys in west africa who has spent the same money already on bourderpasses than we did on getting a carnet, and carnets refund some of the money on return to the RAC

3. watch out for that fat f##king cop in senegal after st loiue, he likes to screw everyone...i watched him fine taxi drivers about having tintid glass...one tip...if he finds something real ( ed no seat belt on) he will make you a offer...he says....pay now or i start to write and it will get worse....belive me it gets worse....i wish i payed, i heard of a westerner recently who spent 5 days in jail there for nothing.( if you can find a diffrent road,,,maybe along the coast...maybe...just dont get lost)

4. Angola is the hardest visa to get....and its only valid for 2 months ( accra)
Nigeria, can sometimes be had at Bennin, Accra was not being helpfull, and DRC in togo......these are the hard visa

5.Dress nice when going to the Rep Congo visa...or they dont let you in

6. joke ...it always helps with the cops.....if they ask for money in english tell them....my girlfreind.....SHE CHOP MY MONEY...they will understand

7. Dont take to much stuff....most you will never use,90 percent of your cloaths will stay in your bag and just get rotten, elecronic stuff WILL break, im a netbook and gps down, and half my freind had there cameras killed

8. Most important, do your research, find out were to get the visas....if you dont...then you will not make it very far....we met plenty of people who were just going with the flow....and flow they did, back to europe

recently there was a guy who did madrid to cape in 2 months...but he had visas already...it sounds a rush, but everyone likes diffrent type of travel...and no need to worry about visas

Good luck