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Planning and setting up the financials for RTW trip

I have read numerous posts about how people get funds while travelling. At this point here is a general idea of what seems to make sense - then I'll ask about specifics.

2 bank accounts. Only one with ATM access. The idea here is that limited funds are always available at the ATM, but not ALL funds. This can be set up to enable transfer of funds from protected account to ATM account on-line.

Fake wallet - with expired credit cards and some cash and old IDs.

Hidden stash of US funds somewhere on your person and on bike.

Credit cards.

There's the structure, now to specifics. I am in Canada.

I think I have found a zero cost account at the CIBC called Simplii. Planning on opening an account there, a savings account to start dumping funds that are ONLY for travel....not bike repairs, or gear or anything else...Just travel funds.

The second account is a question mark. For a Canadian, going abroad, what is the best/lowest cost/safest and most reliable account for ATM access, or world banking. It does not have to be a Canadian bank, just one that works well.

Some people have talked about, I'm going to get the terminology wrong, but like refillable gift cards.

Any advice about getting this financial house in order would be most appreciated.
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You seem to just about have it sorted, the only comments I will make are you might have no choice about having a Canadian account as it is getting difficult to open one in other countries but I am sure there is something suitable out there.
The gift card you talk about is a pre-paid card and I like and use these, they can cost a little more to use and again you might have to find a Canadian one but they are pretty safe, you can have several and keep one with a low balance in your fake wallet.
Also a few Euros might come in handy, the US Dollar is still the most useful but you can get the occasional time when Euros are more acceptable.

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No cost account means no service.
So if you get into trouble and need help there is no friendly voice to answer your calls.
Use your local bank , the one you have used for years, make friends with the staff, say hello to the manager, tell them your plans..they might even give you their personal cell phone number.
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys !
You have saved for years and now are about to spend all your savings, so you don't want to be cheap with your finances; which are by far the most important factor, no money no food.

A good bank manager can make your problems dissapear.
I had a very good client checking into a hotel in Venice with all his family, he then realised that his credit card was missing, so he:
1. Called me international reversing the charges,(collect) which I accepted.
2. Got me to send him new cards overnight delivery. I did.
3. And even better; I found another client that happened to be staying in the same hotel, and asked him to pick up the first clients hotel tab. To be settled when they got home.
I still get a note for Xmas from him 20 years later.
Interesting comments. I rarely enter a bank and have not for many years. Almost everything is done via online banking or ATMs...thus I have never had a relationship with bank manager. But your points are valid. I need to find another way to accomplish the same thing - maybe by getting a POA in place for a person to help manage my financials, specifically in terms of emergency funds and dealing with problems locally. I have a BAD opinion of banks. They are not there to help or serve, but to make $$. And in too many ways their actions prove this....Thus, I will continue seeking a reliable and inexpensive or free option....but because of your comments, THANK YOU, with eyes wider open and discussing my needs with each institution.
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You’re in a closed feedback loop regarding banks. You haven’t used a brick and mortar bank in “many years,” and yet are quite certain of your “BAD opinion” of them. FWIW, I find small, local banks can give good service, including personalized attention when the going gets rough. In my experience, they’ll do this for free—without fees—if you maintain a relatively large balance, above US$10k or so. Credit unions are a pretty good bet even with lower balances.

Having said that, I’ve had miserable experiences recently with several departments of one of the major Canadian banks, and my Canadian family tells me that’s typical.

In any case, the costs involved are relatively slight compared to the trouble the wrong bank can cause you. I’d look for service first, with costs a distant second place.

You’re also describing traveling with a single debit card, linked to a single account. I may go overboard, but I carry three (3) debit cards on a long trip—plus credit cards, plus cash. I’ve had debit cards not work for no real reason, I’ve had a couple of them swallowed by ATM machines in distant countries, and there’s always the risk of theft. I’ll rely on a single debit card if I’m traveling short-term in a place where credit cards are universally accepted, but not otherwise.

Mileage varies, etc. etc. etc.

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You’re in a closed feedback loop regarding banks. You haven’t used a brick and mortar bank in “many years,” and yet are quite certain of your “BAD opinion” of them. FWIW, I find small, local banks can give good service, including personalized attention when the going gets rough. In my experience, they’ll do this for free—without fees—if you maintain a relatively large balance, above US$10k or so. Credit unions are a pretty good bet even with lower balances.

Having said that, I’ve had miserable experiences recently with several departments of one of the major Canadian banks, and my Canadian family tells me that’s typical.

In any case, the costs involved are relatively slight compared to the trouble the wrong bank can cause you. I’d look for service first, with costs a distant second place.

You’re also describing traveling with a single debit card, linked to a single account. I may go overboard, but I carry three (3) debit cards on a long trip—plus credit cards, plus cash. I’ve had debit cards not work for no real reason, I’ve had a couple of them swallowed by ATM machines in distant countries, and there’s always the risk of theft. I’ll rely on a single debit card if I’m traveling short-term in a place where credit cards are universally accepted, but not otherwise.

Mileage varies, etc. etc. etc.

Mark
I will state again....whether you agree or not....a banks purpose is to make money, not offer service. I have never had a good experience with banks...thus not entering a physical building, and having as little to do with them as possible. I'm not going to change my mind...but I do listen....and if you read my post, I am looking at how to structure, what to bring, and how to do it. Multiple debit cards is a GREAT idea. This will be part of my structure. Read my post friend. Spare cash always on my body and some hidden on the bike, mostly US, but some Euro's as well - as per another most appreciated piece of advice.

I think you may be in the US. We don't have little corner banks here. Just 4 LARGE multinationals. And I am NOT rich. Financing this trip by selling everything including my business. Managers in these banks move constantly...

I sincerely appreciate every post. Clarity of what I need to do is exactly why I posted this....and its working....Thank you. I have a ways to go, and some research......

In a month I'm going to get paid for a large job I've been working on. This will buy my bike and open my savings account with a hefty deposit. Covid has impacted my income at the moment (aside from this one project, there is no other work) and I'm reevaluating the next year and half. Selling my business and getting a regular job for a while may happen. We;ll see how things develop. As soon a Covid hit, I started to transition my business to a streaming service, which is paying off....But in these times, being flexible is a must. Even the timing of my departure is only a goal and will be evaluated as things progress.....Most people I have talked to agree that 2022 departure is probably realistic, but we'll see.

And flexibility is everything. Even with banks. Its not that I don't understand how a good relationship with a bank would be helpful.

So - I'm not just going to put my money in a place without research, talking to the people, telling them what I'm doing, and finding the best solution. One thing I am doing, is opening a FREE savings account and stuffing money into it, that is ONLY for the voyage. It may not stay there in the end....but I'll not be paying a bank just to hold my money....and before I leave there will be a good chunk of cash- and I'll decide where it ends up.

Another thing I am doing.....health. I have to get work done on my teeth. Need new glasses. And I am working out EVERY day, changed my diet, and doing everything I can to be in the best shape possible for this. And what I love is that this trip has motivated me to really get my shit together. Even without going anywhere - I'm better off. Can hardly wait to hit the road.

All the best.
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"..a banks purpose is to make money, not offer service."
True, of course, or did you think they were there to risk their capital for you to have a good holiday?
Do you go to a free doctor to have a heart transplant?

"Spare cash always on my body and some hidden on the bike, mostly US, but some Euro's as well . "

AHA; 10 seconds with a gun at your head and you gave me all your money, and your bike and sold me your girlfriend. Do you think crooks outside Canada are all stupid, they can't read english, they don't talk to drunk motorcyclists in bars...



You want a small branch of a huge bank!
Be nice to your mum because she will take care of your stuff
Be nice to the spares manager in your bike store because he will send you spares when you are stuck.
Be nice to your bank manager because he will get money to you when you lost your card after being out drinking. (and he needs your money to send his kids to private school, ) nearly nothing is free.
End of free advice.

BTW there are travellers of a nationality (guess) that are SOO cheap that there are waiters in a country visited by many motorcyclists will not serve them because they never leave a tip.
The joke is: his willy is smaller than a ".......'s" tip!
And those nationals asked me, when I travelled solo, to negotiate hotel room rates for them because as soon as they produced their passports they were booted out of the hotel.
Don't be cheap, be fair, enjoy your holiday and make sure that people enjoy serving you.

Please don't take this personally I write it for all the young guys that are planning their trips
Only I'm not young....I will start collecting my pension 2 years into my trip - and you are of course correct. I can't stop someone pulling a gun, but I can be prepared. And I've been around long enough to know how to treat people. I have done this - pull into the "hotel" section of town, where there is a line of hotels for as far as your eye can see....with all my gear on I go in and ask what the rate is....and if its too high, go to the next place....be nice, ask kindly, don't make a scene, but I have always gotten a deal....and there's nothing wrong with that.

And this ain't no holiday. Its a way of life I'm choosing. As I stated in another post, this trip is one way. I'm not coming back, and staying out there till I either die or physically can't do it....

I remember a time when banks paid you interest to keep your money in their bank. Accounts were free and the banks made money by using your balance to both invest and increase their ability to loan money. Yes, there were banking hours to deal with, 10:00 AM till 3:00 PM, no ATMs and no weekends. But there were knowledgably tellers and lines went fast. In Canada the profit margins for banks are crazy, earning BILLIONS, and then they say that's a good thing, you should be happy cause this makes a bank stable. How do they earn that money? By punishing the poor. Shit interest rates or none, transaction fees for wiping your ass...now you PAY the bank for an account - and you talk to me about service. Go to a bank and be prepared to wait cause there's only 2 tellers, who are clueless and have to wait for the one experienced person to figure out what to do.

No. Modern banks suck. I HAVE to deal with them - so will continue my research into how best to do this to be safe, pay the least, and diversify.

While getting there, I am opening a FREE savings account to stuff my travel money in - and when the time comes I'll have a better idea how best to set my finances up for this venture.

I may not agree with you - but I thank you dearly for the posts....I love how you make me think differently and get a new perspective....

I am willing to change my mind.....and in the end (give me a year) I may come to the same conclusion ......we'll see.
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I may go overboard, but I carry three (3) debit cards on a long trip—plus credit cards, plus cash.
Not overboard at all. Last big trip, I had a card for my main account, a Transferwise card, and an N26 card - and used all of them.
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Not overboard at all. Last big trip, I had a card for my main account, a Transferwise card, and an N26 card - and used all of them.
This is the kind of information I seek....Alternative international bank cards. Thanks. Tranfewise and N26 are bookmarked.

Are there more services of this kind worth looking into?

And what do you fine folks out there think about setting up POA?

This trip is a little different....I'm not coming back home. Its a one way venture with part of the plan to seek a relatively safe and warm climate to retire in when I either finally get tired of being on the road, or I physically can't do it anymore. Having a trusted POA in Canada may be important, but I sure would appreciate comments.
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maybe by getting a POA in place for a person to help manage my financials, specifically in terms of emergency funds and dealing with problems locally.
At which point you can just go to the person who would have your POA, and instead hand them five thousand dollars in cash and say "if I contact you and say the word "Farfelnügen", please Western Union this money to whatever dodgy location I ask."

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I have a BAD opinion of banks. They are not there to help or serve, but to make $$.
That is not bad in itself. Nobody owes you a service you're not paying for.
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This can be set up to enable transfer of funds from protected account to ATM account on-line.
Make sure you have a VERY good sequence of backups for if this fails. How do you access your bank account - probably via multifactor authentication? What if you lose the home SIM where you receive SMS? Authenticator app - what if you are forced to factory-reset the phone and wipe the app? Some things, for security's sake, actually cannot be reset remotely. Regaining access to your Canadian account may require you to fly to Canada and show up at a bank branch.

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The second account is a question mark. For a Canadian, going abroad, what is the best/lowest cost/safest and most reliable account for ATM access, or world banking. It does not have to be a Canadian bank, just one that works well.
Transferwise. About as cheap an international ATM/debit card as you can realistically hope for.
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I heartily (having seen that it's already been suggested) recommend investigating the likes of the TransferWise borderless account and card. Easy to set up, saves a packet on exchange rates, and you can create a new currency anytime you want to go to a new country.

I know they don't cover all countries but it's getting pretty extensive. I find mine indispensable.

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a banks purpose is to make money, not offer service.
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"Don't expect to never, ever return to Canada. Even with a POA they might want to see that you're actually alive to start paying out your pension, otherwise the world would be full of mysteriously long-lived but elusive retired Canadians with mysteriously rich lawyers."

this problem should be easily solved by a visit to a Canadian embassy in the country you are in. It was for USA citizens.

A suggestion I've been given is only take cash out of big bank ATM's and pay everything you can in cash, it is the merchants that will clone your cards. Eg Brasil

Don't use non bank ATM's in airports and gas stations, certainly not more than 2 extractions at a time; your bank will block your cards to stop fraud.

as mentioned before many cards from different banks.

Ask your POA or "sponsor" to become fluent in Western Union.

Best of luck
Great advise. Thank you.

I have one ace-in-the-hole for my travels. A good friend of mine is a high level operative at Global Affairs. His advice - register with the Canadian consulate in each country I'm visiting, and if in trouble, I have his work email address where he states....."I may not be able to do anything, but it can't hurt to have a personal contact on the inside".

I will be checking out pension stuff in detail with the Government before I leave so I'll know what, and how to take care of this. During this Covid time, lots has changed in regard to using video - so I may be able to zoom in with them to confirm identity - but I'll know in advance.

I have a person I trust fully who has agreed to be POA. And things are really looking up on a bunch of fronts.

Honestly, the hardest part of all of this is getting ready to let go of everything I have built here....my business, relationships, my band, everything.....this is more painful than I expected....but I'm working hard to make my exit as painless for my clients and band members as possible. I've not announced to the general public my intent yet....as soon as I buy the motorcycle....then I go public.....and start to make KRTW exist.
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I don't know how it is in Canada, but in the US, the liability of a credit card holder for fraudulent charges is limited to $50--so I exclusively use credit cards rather than debit cards while traveling.

I also highly recommend bringing more than one, ideally of different types (ie, Mastercard, Visa, Amex) in case one simply doesn't work for no apparent reason (happens fairly frequently), or some card is not accepted, or their network is down, etc. There are various ways to pay credit card bills while traveling, so that's not an issue.

Also be aware that sometimes NONE of your cards will be accepted; in France and Germany some places only accept a different kind of card (Maestro, etc) which is not compatible with Visa or Mastercard. That can be kind of a pain...
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I don't know how it is in Canada, but in the US, the liability of a credit card holder for fraudulent charges is limited to $50--so I exclusively use credit cards rather than debit cards while traveling.

I also highly recommend bringing more than one, ideally of different types (ie, Mastercard, Visa, Amex) in case one simply doesn't work for no apparent reason (happens fairly frequently), or some card is not accepted, or their network is down, etc. There are various ways to pay credit card bills while traveling, so that's not an issue.

Also be aware that sometimes NONE of your cards will be accepted; in France and Germany some places only accept a different kind of card (Maestro, etc) which is not compatible with Visa or Mastercard. That can be kind of a pain...
I believe that cash is still accepted all over the world. Carrying it is the issue...This is good advice, and as I get further into building my financial structure I'll be looking into this. My first almost three years will be in North and South America so I'll be focusing on that....but you never know. If things in the US continue to worsen, I may start in Europe....sincerely hope not....

Thanks for the post.
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I believe that cash is still accepted all over the world.
Actually, no...

These days some establishments in the US only accept credit cards, even pre-pandemic there were a few that only accepted cards. I would not be surprised if it were the same in some Scandinavian countries, although that is just a guess. I was in Norway for a full week before I spent any cash at all, and that was at a market in a town square.

Perhaps more relevant: one beautiful Sunday morning I was doodling along in the French countryside, but desperately low on fuel...I stopped at several gas stations, but none of them were manned and did not accept cash, although they accepted some kind of card that I didn't have. Finally I had to stop at one of these places and wait for someone to show up, so that I could give them cash and they could pay with their card. That kind of sucked. IIRC I've encountered the same kind of pumps in Italy, but they at least accepted cash.
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