Originally Posted by Chris Scott

After 2 consequetive days of posts, Bob has been gone since Jan 07.
Well at least it was clear what he wanted.
I have been expecting a competitor to AMH and although I have not seen the Haynes yet, from what I hear it... has nice pix. The author even tried to poach some AMH contribs but the one I know of declined the offer of no fee.

It's not clear from here but did Haynes actually pay anyone to use their pictures?
I heard he did not have much success here and so did an FoC deal with BMW and TTech (so said Nick P to me) plus whatever words and pix he could get off others for free. Good luck to him; he gets quality pix but a bit of a brochure look that many readers will see through. But to do a book in full colour is expensive and I suspect the author just got a one-off fee from H, not royalties (% of cover price sales) so has no long term stake in the title.

FWIW, I have never had much success simply asking online for pix either and for me covers are always a compromise (I mean 'Chris Bright on an Enfield', really... ;-D). I do the work and trawl the many great AM travel websites looking for killer shots and yarns. There are plenty out there.

My fees seem embarrassingly low to me but I know that Rough Guides for example pay about the same for pix.
I think last time round I offered $/€50 or equivalent per half page of colour (so double that for a full page, 4 x for a spread); £200-ish for the cover (for which CB was commissioned as he was in the right place at the right time on the right bike and a good camera).
For the many monos in my book I dont pay as I dont want to be held back using monos by cost. So I do most of them myself. Monos are generally technical anyway plus any significant fee offered would be a joke to the 'tog but add up a lot to me on top of the colours and yarns. It comes out of my pocket (not the publisher) and maybe it was the same with the Haynes bloke so he did the BMW TT deal.
I thought about doing an AMH dvd with TT's backing and Nick in UK was potentially up for it. But in the end I thought I may end up dressed in flash BM gear on a flash TT-festooned bike - it aint me and anyway, we've seen that already on telly...

By the way, just to clarify I was referring to a photograph I took, with my camera, and a third party submitted without my approval or discussion - and was presumably paid for.

Yep, I know that feeling. I take pix of each rider on all my desert tours as its hard to get a good shot of yourself looking cool - and hand them all out after. Many riders do the same back and on their websites of course I dont mind.
But I was a bit miffed when matey from 2007 wrote a yarn on the tour for TB Mag recently and used mostly my shots without a credit or even a "do you mind if..." It's not about the money; it's just bad form (tbf, could have been the mag's laziness, not his).

Anyway, may as well ask while I'm here....
Doing a bigger and better AMH6 for 2009 - I'll track them down anyway but your killer pix and yarns wanted! £250 in gold for the cover!

Everyone - paid or not - gets a © credit and a copy of AM6 if they want. All text contribs are listed on the title page and have the opp to do a biog in the back too.

afn

Ch