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thanks caminando,
but who have good record on human rights? US, UK, Germany, France or any other developed country???
anyway.. this is deply politics..
Thanks for your sensations anyway.
peace
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Thanks Ozanu,
My point was that Turkey has a poor record on human rights, and not long ago did some dreadful crimes in South East Turkey. So the word terrorist is not only for the PKK. I'll leave it at that.
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thanks caminando,
anyway.. this is deply politics..
Thanks for your sensations anyway.
peace
end of this thread for me
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And I will hold you both to that. Points have been made, and further discussion on these lines will be of no help to Pecha72. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ilies/nono.gif
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What Ozhan said in his first post. There are major oil/gas refinery works in Batman and the Turks are concerned about sabotage not only to these oil works but to the infrastructure in/out of the area. He is also right in that the road blocks will be your greatest drama. A few days ago someone I know took all day to get halfway to Hakkan from Batman (in a car), only to be turned back. (Although this coincided with military movements and a visit by Turkish parliamentarians to the area, so the situation probably changes one day to the next). The queues are long and the locals hostile. Just avoid the place for the time being.
On the political debate in the latter posts; it's not really fair to visit a thread, fire a broadside about something of which you probably know little about, and back away. This does not add to the discussion, and simply compels people who are close to the issue, and who probably do know what they are talking about, to fire up. I've noticed this has happened in a few ME threads in the last day or so. There are plenty of sites to air these views, and I reckon it's not here.
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When we booked into a hotel in Tatvan in late 2006, the owner greeted us with a big smile and said "welcome to Kurdistan". I did a double take and instantly played back the last 2 days riding in my head and could not recall crossing a border, then realised that he wanted to tell us where his support lay on this issue, or maybe he was testing our views? I didn't say anything, just smiled back. What is my point? Not sure really, except there appears to be more support for the Kurds in this part of Turkey than I expected.
Hope things work out for you pecha72 and you get to see & experience a great part of Turkey (or Kurdistan, depending what your views are).
John
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