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Its shame when you have a situation like that, no easy way round it.

I've had both mine, AZ, first I felt crap the day after and if that was a very mild experience of COVID, I certainly don't want the main thing. 2nd dose was much better with no real reactions.

Unfortunately we live in a world where fake news and conspiracy theories take precedent over actual science. Brexit, Trump and now COVID have revealed how quickly people will believe the fake information spread so widely.
We're controlled and manipulated by 3 word slogans
The latest fake news is that the majority of people dying from Covid are double vaccinated.
So easy to manipulate data to portray this. People dying usually have several and severe underlying health issues and are 60yr old plus. So yep, lots are double vaccinated. No vaccine is 100% effective.
So if we all get vaccinated 100% of deaths can be claimed to be either due to the actual vaccine or the vaccine being ineffective

Anyway. My hamster died 3 days after I had the AZ vaccine. Big pharma kept that side effect well hidden
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The latest fake news is that the majority of people dying from Covid are double vaccinated.
Where have you read such a claim? I've seen literally dozens of articles from different sources claiming that the vast majority (95%+) of new COVID hospitalisations are unvaccinated. Here is just one such story: https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ne...n-unvaccinated
"Of the 63 new COVID cases recorded during the weeks ended June 13 and 20, only two were in fully vaccinated people"

and another: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...e-unvaccinated
"Of more than 18,000 people who died from COVID-19, for example, only about 150 were fully vaccinated. That's less than 1%."
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Where have you read such a claim? I've seen literally dozens of articles from different sources claiming that the vast majority (95%+) of new COVID hospitalisations are unvaccinated. Here is just one such story: https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ne...n-unvaccinated
"Of the 63 new COVID cases recorded during the weeks ended June 13 and 20, only two were in fully vaccinated people"

and another: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...e-unvaccinated
"Of more than 18,000 people who died from COVID-19, for example, only about 150 were fully vaccinated. That's less than 1%."
I certainly wasn't implying any credence to this.
I hang around some American forums. Need I say more?
Occasionally I follow the links, it usually takes 4 or 5 seconds to determine the latest "expert" is a fraud. Last one was a former UK Doctor Alexander who was struck off for creating false claims about the mmr vaccine. Mostly it's just out of morbid curiosity.
When you've vaccinated 90%+ of the vulnerable (UK numbers) it's easy to put a negative spin when some of these die.
The Daily Mail chose to run a story implying this, so not even some loony toon conspiracy theory source. Just a politically motivated rag of a news paper.
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And let's not forget that when someone writes: "150 people out of 10000 die after vaccination", it looks like it was because of vaccination/COVID but people can still die of other sources.

Also, talking about untruthful media/press/stupid people: https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...nto-crocodiles
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It´s an absolute needless discussion if people who died on covid19 were half/fully or not vaccinated. The number of people who will die from covid19 without a vaccination will always be higher than the number of vaccinated people. And yes, vaccinated people who suffer from pre-existing illnesses will have a higher risk to die. And yes again, a vaccination always includes different kinds of risks of adverse effects.

But every vaccination independent of what vaccine is used will drastically reduce the risk of dying from covid19 and prevent growing virus mutations.

Vaccination will prevent symptomatic and asymptomatic infections in significant numbers. The probalitity that fully vaccinated persons will be shown as positive through a PCR test is very low. Means numbers of this is never zero, there is still a possibilty existing that fully vaccinated persons can get an infection.

In what kind of ratio and risk a fully vaccinated person is able to transfer the virus to another person is still not detected and proven by medical evidence. What is clear up to day by medical evidence data is that fully vaccinated persons show a much lower number of viral load. This results in a shorter time and amount of expulsion of viruses and in less perilous courses of disease for fully vaccinated persons.

That´s why we still have to keep on hygiene rules in our social periphery if there are so many people around without being vaccinated in times where delta variant is still spreading faster and faster. It`s not the delta virus who spreads around, it us the un- and vaccinated people who spread the virus mostly without recognizing it.

This we should keep in mind when we watch EM soccer championship with overcrowed stadiums in the tv. And this we should keep in mind if times of travelling will return to a world where for several reasons we will never find a region or a country with a 100% vaccination rate. It´s up to us to proof and ignore spreading rumors from doubtful sources, to trust science more than politician partys and to take respectful care of eachothers as we would belong to one family.

Think, we all got impressed sometime by the experience of extraordinary hospitaly and altruistic help from foreigners we met randomly in their country. Let us be and act with same behavior like them to get together through this pandemic.

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Finally got my second AZ jab today (well happy) now i`m going to cough all over the anti vaxxers.

I did ask for a lolly back in April, the nurse didn't think it was that funny? and today i asked if i was getting a lolly? same response.

So the Yanks are given Pfizer & a lotto ticket, here in Australia all we get is AZ & a grumpy nurse & a digital certificate. WTF?

So to all the Aussies sitting on the fence, no you don't get a lolly but you get a jab that can save your life, get it done & stop getting your news from FB.



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Finally got my second AZ jab today (well happy) now i`m going to cough all over the anti vaxxers.

I did ask for a lolly back in April, the nurse didn't think it was that funny? and today i asked if i was getting a lolly? same response.

So the Yanks are given Pfizer & a lotto ticket, here in Australia all we get is AZ & a grumpy nurse & a digital certificate. WTF?

So to all the Aussies sitting on the fence, no you don't get a lolly but you get a jab that can save your life, get it done & stop getting your news from FB.



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Finally got my second AZ jab today (well happy) now i`m going to cough all over the anti vaxxers.
Wow - you received quite a fancy certificate there. All I got for my two Moderna needles was a standard-size business card with some hand-written scribbles with the lot numbers and dates. I suppose the good thing is that it fits easily in my wallet.
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Sounds much like mine. But to cross the border I'm going to have to upload a photo of this rather unimpressive document to some sort of governmental website, yielding a still-unimpressive digital copy. I expect you'll have to do the same, except that in your case you'll be waiting on Mr. Biden, while I'm (thankfully) not.
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