Beat the "Seat Heat"

[KirkFord]

I hope I can put this here in the Hubb Pub and not get scolded for plugging a product...(pardon the pun) BUTT I have just got hold of a 'Sit & Fly' seat cover from Israel for my DR which supposedly helps alleviate the 'pain in the rear end' - It looks like a black coloured fish keeper net but a bit tougher and fits very snuggly over the DR seat and is velcroed underneath. I can't post photos yet but there is an AdvRiders website where someone else purchased one and that's where I got the idea to check it out. It cost about $35US + postage and is an incredibly simple devise that actually works. I have ridden over 300k's the last couple of days and have not had unbearable 'numb bum' syndrome. I still get uncomfortable but not unbearably.

I'm not sure why this works but it does. If someone was lighter than me and not carrying injuries in the 'nether regions' it would be terrific, however, if I were less rotund around the belly and put back 2 inner liners in my DR pants it could be marvelous.

It certainly dressed up the seat and has held it's original shape.....anyone else tried this product yet?

Cheers....

[Toyark]

Originally Posted by KirkFord

.....anyone else tried this product yet?

no sorry- but I can make another 'offering'
You can buy a wooden beaded seat cover for about $10 as used by taxi drivers worldwide- these can also be found in elderly mobility shops or fleabay.
Cheap, just add elasticated cord - to attach to seat.
IMHO -major advantages-

• No one would really want to pinch it
• Waterproof
• Cheap
• No more numb-bum
• Stays clean and works better than my old sheepskin
• No more 'wet-groin-patch' during the rains as there is no longer a seal between your synthetic riding gear and the synthetic saddle- water runs through.

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by KirkFord

I hope I can put this here in the Hubb Pub and not get scolded for plugging a product...(pardon the pun) BUTT I have just got hold of a 'Sit & Fly' seat cover from Israel for my DR which supposedly helps alleviate the 'pain in the rear end' - It looks like a black coloured fish keeper net but a bit tougher and fits very snuggly over the DR seat and is velcroed underneath. I can't post photos yet but there is an AdvRiders website where someone else purchased one and that's where I got the idea to check it out. It cost about $35US + postage and is an incredibly simple devise that actually works. I have ridden over 300k's the last couple of days and have not had unbearable 'numb bum' syndrome. I still get uncomfortable but unbearably.

I'm not sure why this works but it does. If someone was lighter than me and not carrying injuries in the 'nether regions' it would be terrific, however, if I were less rotund around the belly and put back 2 inner liners in my DR pants it could be marvelous.

It certainly dressed up the seat and has held it's original shape.....anyone else tried this product yet?

Cheers....

That's a good price for a quality pad!
Can you post a link to the ADV Rider review?
Lots of companies make pads now, some ATV pads are OK, Wal-Mart sell one that gets good reviews. Most are (IMO) way overpriced.

Companies like Air Hawk, Saddlemen, Pro Pad, and Leather Up all sell various versions. I would avoid anything using GEL. Too hot! BUT ... they are all too expensive! $35 is more realistic.

I've used the Indian Taxi Driver beaded covers and they work fantastic! Not a lot of money either! The trick is fitting them so they stay on the seat. I rode cross the USA with a beaded cover on my old BMW. Life saver when doing 400 mile days, day after day.

If you move around alot on your bike (riding corners) ... the Beaded cover may break. That is what happened to mine. Beads everywhere!

But for the price the wooden beads are a good solution it you can get it attached properly. Great in heat.

Lots of good progress with Foam these days too ... some is great for seats on a bike!

[KirkFord]

Sorry couldn't find the forum which 1st displayed the sit & fly; I have the IT capability of a tadpole....but below is a website I noticed linked to Facebook, not that I'ma Facebook user, (but you don't have to be), it just goes into a page with loads of photos of who uses it and the product and the guys who came up with it. It is also on eBay for sale anyway....on the photos you will notice an email address and if you copy the pic and enlarge just a little you can read it and email them and have a yarn...I did

Regarding the beads, well I haven't tried them on a bike seat.....but the amount of sliding I do on a m/c seat they'd last a couple of minutes;perhaps. I'm not sure, but I can see that they would work, but if you come up with a better line, string or woven nylon cord for interlocking themand then a good way to attach them to the seat/s you maybe be onto a winner.

https://www.facebook.com/SitFlyNetCoverForMotorSeats

Regards.....

[Pongo]

The secret of these devices is to create an air gap,and to improve blood flow. Most seat covers being synthetic unbreathable materials, they act a bit like a plastic wrapper round a piece of meat, they make you sweat. Sweat with pressure causes skin acid sores and good old monkey butt! Your product and the beaded type products massage your backside to improve blood flow in that area, reducing the numbing effect which is caused by reduced circulation sitting down.

The best solution ( IMHO) for long periods in the saddle is natural sheepskin. Keeps you cool on hot days, is warm on cold days, and prevents the rubbing on the saddle, especially at the top of the inner thigh and on the backside. Sheepskin also has natural ''spring'' which prevents pressure on the backside which causes loss of circulation.

As an aside, here's something not many people know, and it's to do with diet. Persons who have a high red meat content in their diet have higher acid sweat discharge which is usually detected by noticeable B.O. No conclusive proof here, but skin sores would appear to develop quicker with higher acidity levels. I'm not vegetarian, but only eat red meat once in a blue moon. I use a sheepskin. In the last 3 years I've ridden over 50,000 kms and never once had a sore backside, but a slightly tingly bum once after a 450km not stop run!

[backofbeyond]

Originally Posted by Pongo

As an aside, here's something not many people know, and it's to do with diet. Persons who have a high red meat content in their diet have higher acid sweat discharge which is usually detected by noticeable B.O. No conclusive proof here, but skin sores would appear to develop quicker with higher acidity levels. I'm not vegetarian, but only eat red meat once in a blue moon. I use a sheepskin. In the last 3 years I've ridden over 50,000 kms and never once had a sore backside, but a slightly tingly bum once after a 450km not stop run!

I've never had skin sores from bike riding. I've had a few bikes where had I replaced the seat with the edge of a knife the comfort level would have been much the same but that's all its ever been - uncomfortable. I've always assumed that when I've read about people's posterior problems on trips that that's what we're talking about; sore in the sense of aching rather than sores in the sense of skin breakage. Do many people here get sores like that?

Maybe there is something in the diet hypothesis after all. I'm for all intents and purposes vegetarian - not for ethical reasons but following a bout of food poisoning many years ago I have problems enjoying red meat so I've stopped eating it. On the other hand I have a red meat enthusiast friend who also rides long distances and he doesn't have comfort issues either.

So that's two veggies to one meat eater. If we get a few more contributions we could knock the data into shape and write it up for the IJMS. "Do vegetarians make better travellers?" sounds right up their street.

[mollydog]

Yep, Vegetarian riders will do fine ... until they get to Argentina!
Meat Meat and MORE Meat! Would you like a side of Sausage and Liver with your steak? (Parilla Mixta)

I like Sheepskin covers but IMO, a good base seat is the most important element to start with.

I've had Monkey Butt a couple times when I raced Enduro, and also on Marathon Baja runs, riding LONG days for 8 to 10 days in a row. Once it starts, you have NO TIME to allow it to heal up. A BIG problem!

ALL that was on dirt bikes with torture rack seats and without any sort of cover, no bicycle shorts used then and little knowledge on prevention.

We soon discovered products like Gold Bond Talcum powder, diaper rash creme, and other things to help prevent or heal up the Monkey Butt ... which is terribly painful. It's so bad ... it really can STOP your ride if you don't address it as soon as it appears. Can also get infected.

I've not had it in years but I'm proactive:
1. Apply either Gold Bond Talcum powder or Diaper creme (with Aloe) BEFORE the ride, and clean up, re-apply at lunch, again at night.
2. Quality, padded bicycle shorts help, they absorb sweat, minimize chaffing.
3. Quality seat
4. Stand up as much as you can!

But if you never ride really long days, then not so much a problem. Sheep Skins extend your comfort range, but I find they "pack down", and in the end, do very little. (I rode across the US ... and back using sheep skin cover on BMW R100RS) Many 400 mile days.

The more you ride, the tougher your backside gets and the further you can go without suffering too much.

[KirkFord]

I've never had the saddle sores BUTT have worked out a way of using the beads successfully on the saddle by sewing theminto the mesh of the 'sit &fly'. I think that will work out ok....just got to find a place that sells the bead matting. I haven't seen them for a while...they pop up now and again in places but will have to go on the 'search party' for them and incorporate them in to the mesh.

If it works I'll write it up.

Cheers

[Chris of Japan]

Originally Posted by KirkFord

I hope I can put this here in the Hubb Pub and not get scolded for plugging a product...

You only get scolded if you are making money off of plugging a product.
If you buy something and really like it, by all means tell everyone about it.
There is even a section just for that. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...pment-reviews/
Trying to get free advertising for your company will get you in trouble. (Paid advertising is always welcome!)

[Bucket1960]

Here you go mollydog, a visual relief for you

[chris gale]

I don't eat red meat and my arse is killing me after bouncing round south maroc for nine hours

[Tourider]

I use a goat skin on the seat, which seems to work without getting water logged like sheepskins. On the diet front I notice that my sore bum threshold has increased fourfold since I gave up smoking.

[KirkFord]

I guess that may be from giving up the smokes - 'cause now you stop less to get off the bike?????

Cheers.....

[Bucket1960]

Originally Posted by Tourider

I notice that my sore bum threshold has increased fourfold since I gave up smoking.

You were obviously putting them in the wrong end

[Tourider]

You try to make a sensible point and you get hi-jacked by a bunch of convicts.