Pity the same can't be said about some England fans. Disgraceful behaviour last night again. They won't stop until they're kicked out of the tournament.

During this campaign, much has been the hypocrisy expressed some of which I have exposed here. It's been easy, it's been fun, it's been part of the game. Never and I mean NEVER has this level of hypocrisy been so sickeningly, nauseatingly and downright disgustingly exhibited as it has been today by that Irish Geldof.


This multi millionaire establishment luvvie got up on his back legs today and mocked working fishermen and tried to drown out their protests and boost his own ego for attempting to take back control of just this country's fishing policy from the EU.


Let me explain the depths of his hypocrisy. People think the EU fishing policy begins and ends at EU waters. Not So. To ameliorate over capacity in the EU fishing fleets the EU sought and got fishing agreements(FA's) with almost every African coastal state. Many books have been written on the devastating effects of this policy on African society, on Africans and on the marine and wider environments. Investigate yourself, it will make you cry.

“The EU is unfairly profiting from the resources of the world's poorest countries and they are breaking their own laws to do it”
Rashid Sumiaila, Professor of ocean and fisheries economics at the university of British Columbia.

The FA's with these nations are paid for 80% from the EU (us taxpayers) 20% by ship owners to the African States forbid by law traditional atisenal fisherman from fishing in their traditional waters. Of course, they still try, However, one EU factory ship can catch in one day what 56 Mauritanian pirogues can catch in one year for example. There are 256 EU factory ships operating in African waters. The seas are raped of their resources leaving little for the locals to catch for their own consumption and to market.


The marine devastation is horrific; the “discards” include 60,000 sharks, 18,000 rays and 1,500 turtles. Each year. MINIMUM.

“Since the companies aren't paying the full cost of doing business, they make more profit and in turn invest in bigger and more efficient boats, which enable them to further exploit developing countries' fish stocks”


Frederic Le Manach, French fisheries scientist.

The EU fishing boats operating in African waters are highly subsidised by the Common Fisheries Policy. They are built with massive EU taxpayer subsidies and EU taxpayers subsidise the FA's. This has shifted over capacity from EU waters to African waters. Local atisinal fishermen have to compete for fish with these state of the art super trawlers, 45 metres long, they carry helicopters for spotting, echo sounders and sonars and full filleting, processing and freezing plant on board. They can be asea for months at a time.

“We have seen how the navy becomes part of the corrupt team that receives hard currency and turns a blind eye to the looting of their nations wealth”


Edouardo Loayanza World Bank fisheries advisor

EU vessels ignore boundaries, under-report catches and bribe African officials. They are rarely caught or penalised. The 2014 African Progress Report said African coastal nations lost $1.3 billion as a result of illegal EU fishing practices in West Africa alone. In Sierra Leone 252 instances of illegal fishing was reported over an 18 month period. Senegal's losses were calculated at $300 million in 2012 alone. In a 2012 study by UK charity Environmental Justice Foundation, they documented 252 illegal fishing reports by EU vessels off the cost of Sierra Leone. Nine out ten of them landed their catches in EU ports. EU vessels were documented entering exclusion zones and using banned fishing equipment. They found bribes, intimidation and a refusal to pay fines and also documented, with photos, local fishermen beaten unconscious.


In 2004, a Tanzanian patrol discovered 24 EU vessels illegally fishing in protected areas. Following the arrest of the crews the EU commission sent delegates who bribed local officials to secure their release. The fishing companies pay bribes to on-board observers now and also to marine inspectors. Breaking the law is lucrative yet the EU still subsidises the fleet. It rewards them.


The result? In Madagascar alone fishing agency members has declined from 406 in 2004 to 159 today. In peoples livelihoods? 100,000 jobs lost. In that small country alone.

“If people aren't able to get their protein from fish, they'll turn elsewhere for food and economic survival”


Justin Brashares, Professor of wildlife ecology and conservation at University of California, Berkeley.

Over fishing and illegal fishing in African waters has devastating consequences for local fishermen and coastal communities. Their lives and livelihoods are dependent on fish as a main source of food and protein and income. When no fish are available or the price is too high they suffer. Not just from hunger but the health impacts too. Marine resources have been vital for their health and survival. EU subsidies of EU trawlers taking their stocks away to the EU devastates their communities, leads to protein deficiency which contributes to poor health and low economic productivity. They are forced to shift to inferior food types, including bush meat.


EU FA's with their subsidies force Africans to slaughter wildlife in order to survive. We all know of the decline in African wildlife ~ 76% across 44 species in fact in a few decades. In search of protein species not traditionally consumed are sought introducing new viruses not seen before into the population. Ebola being just one recent example. And yet during that period EU fishing fleet funding 1981 to 2001 increased 5833%.

“I could be a fisherman there (Spain). Life is better there. There are no fish here in the sea any more”


Ale Nodye, Senegalese fisherman and smuggler

As a result of the EU's advanced, industrialised fishing fleets, over-exploiting the fishing grounds of the local, traditional fishermen they are forced to alternatives. Unable to work an exodus results.


Fisheries scientist Thom Binet attests that the migration problem in West Africa started with a small group of small scale fishermen and has now moved to African youth who seek employment and a better future in Europe. He contends that the root of this issue lies with EU and it's persistent, illegal fishing.

“In the ever shifting world of pirates,coast guards and fishermen, the movement amongst the three has never been in only one direction”


Jay Bahadur, Canadian journalist and author.

The plundering of African waters of these poor countries by the EU has led to a dramatic increase in piracy. Under resourced and under funded coast guards can't maintain law and order. It is a war between two illegal entities one being EU funded and they can't intervene.


The emergence of piracy is a reaction to foreign over fishing. The EU breaks the law, they do too. The UN estimate $300 million was plundered from Somalian waters by foreign trawlers in 2006. We know what the fishermen there resorted to.


What I have written here is the tiniest prece of the EU's evil fishing practices in Africa. Books have been written on the subject.


Many people here have travelled Africa, have seen with their own eyes this going on, on shore at least. In the EU we have witnessed African migration. Africans can exist and prosper in their own countries if given an even break. The EU denies them this. Geldof, of all people knows this. An yet, to satisfy his own bloated ego this smug, wealthy, establishment, Irish luvvie calls hard working British fishermen (rhymes with) “swanker”? Whilst applauding the moral inversion that is the EU and what it inflicts on Africans? This is the very definition of hypocracy.


Truly the lowest point in this campaign – it will go down in social history.


Also, his music is (rhymes with “kite”).

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Okay, you've persuaded me with that argument. I'm all for Brexit now!

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

Cuts both ways?

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

Careful now - you are almost in danger of expressing an opinion there!

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The upper house of the Swiss parliament on Wednesday voted to invalidate its 1992 application to join the European Union, backing an earlier decision by the lower house. The vote comes just a week before Britain decides whether to leave the EU in a referendum.

Twenty-seven members of the upper house, the Council of States, voted to cancel Switzerland’s longstanding EU application, versus just 13 senators against. Two abstained.

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Canton Schaffhausen has a very convoluted border with Germany including a small enclave of German territory - not unusual for border areas but, for some years, the Canton has not been too impressed with the passage of heavy goods vehicles on their highways, heading to Italy for instance.

Separately, but perhaps connected, Germany has tried to influence matters via restrictions on international flight paths into Zurich airport.
(final approach tends to commence from the north).

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Dave

Michael Gove was as emotional as you will ever see on Question Time as he responded to the Guardian story about his father. Privately the Goves are genuinely furious, and say the paper “rang up an elderly man who is very hard of hearing and has serious diabetes and twisted his words”. The Guardian story is headlined “Michael Gove’s father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies”. Yet this was the actual answer 79 year-old Ernest Gove gave to the journalist’s question:

“There’s nothing really to go back about anyway because it just was, when Europe went into fishing, the industry more or less collapsed down and I just packed in and got a job with another firm, you know. That was all that was happening.”

He didn’t contradict Gove Jnr, he completely confirmed him to be telling the truth.

As the journalist repeatedly tried to get Gove Snr to contradict Michael, Ernest explicitly said: “I’m not going against my son”. The Guardian claim “Michael Gove’s office neither denied or retracted or contested accuracy of Earnest Gove quotes”. Except they provided the reporter with a statement from Ernest Gove, again rubbishing the story:

“I don’t know what this reporter is going on about. Everybody in the north-east knows it was Europe that did such damage to the fish trade. The common fisheries policy was a disaster, not just for Aberdeen, but all of Scotland. There wasn’t any future for my business. It closed as a direct result of Europe.”

For avoidance of doubt, here is Ernest Gove on camera last week giving the BBC his view:

WATCH: Gove's father speak on the EU and his fishing business [VIDEO] https://t.co/CbmPhdXSr8



Despite Gove Snr clearly agreeing with his son – on camera, in the phone call with the reporter and in a statement provided prior to publication – the Guardian published the incorrect headline anyway. The article was held back until shortly before Gove Jnr’s appearance on Question Time for maximum damage and then co-ordinated with Remain spinners Will Straw and lyin’ Ryan Coetzee who then piled in on Twitter, knowing it to be untrue. Pretty low even by the standards of political campaigning…

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Whilst not wishing to cross that great European Napoleon's maxim "never interfere with an enemy while he's in the process of destroying himself" the sainted one is on TV tonight open to questions. Bob doesn't like being questioned. In 2012:

...he lashed out at a reporter this week after he was asked about his tax arrangements, bizarrely demanding to know how many irrigation ditches her salary had built.
Geldof, who was in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa for the World Economic Forum, was interviewed by Times journalist Lucy Bannerman. Their encounter appeared to go very well at first, with Geldof talking about the huge changes that have taken place in Africa since Live Aid in 1985.
Then Bannerman asked him about his tax status. After confirming that he is a non-dom and can legally avoid income and capital gains tax on international earnings, Geldof laughed off the Sunday Times Rich List estimate of his worth (£32 million).
When pressed on how much tax he actually paid – the justification for the question being because his big idea, aid, can come from taxes – Geldof exploded.
“I pay all my taxes,” he shouted. “My time? Is that not a tax? I employ 500 people. I have created business for the UK government. I have given my ideas. I have given half my life to this.”
In a bizarre, heated exchange Geldof jabbed his finger repeatedly at Bannerman and demanded to know how many irrigation ditches she had built with her salary.
The tirade ended with Geldof yelling: “How dare you lecture me about morals”, before being led away by his entourage.

Actually Bob, lots of us would like to lecture you on your tax morals if you don’t pay in full what somebody else living in the UK might owe. I stress we don’t know whether you do or not, but you had the option of saying you do and got angry instead, which makes me think you’ve got something to get angry about.

And candidly, in that case Lucy Bannerman was absolutely right to question you as she did. Paying tax in the right place at the right time is a principle inextricably linked to solving the problems of poverty in Africa – and elsewhere. You can build as many ditches as you like. But candidly if you set an example by tax avoiding then you undo all your good works.

It’s your choice though Bob. You’ve no need to get angry. You can just either drop the non-dom claim or pay up instead. It’s not hard.


By the way - the £32m figure has now been updated to £100m. That's a lot of money to earn from a couple of crap '70's singles. Strange how this foreign pop star got extremely wealthy off the back of other peoples misery and now speaks for the "one percent" telling us we should stay in the EU.


Vote Leave.

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I suggest we stop posting for 24 hours out of respect for Jo Cox

...and let's all calm down a little huh?

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Jo Cox dead: Latest updates after Labour MP is fatally stabbed and gunned down outside Birstall library - Mirror Online

xfiltrate

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-poli...ll-brexit.html

Seriously? you think that post is acceptable in the wake of todays tragic events?

This thread has been a serious low point for the Hubb for far to long and now its gone too far

Agreed

Enough is enough. The uneducated derelicts who act like experts on this topic and spend their time writing total, utter and unashamed bollox on this thread should find a new home elsewhere. And good bloody riddance too