Low emissions zones to be implemented accross Spain from next year

[Turbofurball]

I thought this might be handy to note for anyone planning a trip for next year onwards: any city with more than 50K residents will be bringing in low emission zones to their city centers, and the existing zones for Madrid and Barcelona are going to be tightened (though by how much is yet to be seen due to court cases over it).

Under the Spanish classification scheme the vehicles affected are likely to be diesels from before 2006 and anything that burns petrol from before 2000 ("unclassified"). "B" class might be affected too, which is 2006-2014 for diesels and 2000-2006 for petrol.

I don't know how this will affect foreign plated vehicles, and the exact rules are going to vary a lot ... to confuse matters there are exceptions too, like my '93 Nissan Serena is classed as a B because it's officially a minibus.

[mark manley]

I think we will see this increasingly around the world which will require travellers to consider the age of their vehicles more carefully, it is part of the reason I sold my old airhead BMWs last year and bought a new royal Enfield.

[*Touring Ted*]

Just another reason to avoid cities.

And Western Europe perhaps

There is nothing more miserable than driving or riding through a busy city in any country.

It's always nicer to stay in the quiet and cheaper outskirts and take public transport in to visit.

I'm all for cities being 100% pedestrianised. They're dirty, noisy and smelly enough without traffic and fumes.

Although I can see this being a problem if you can't get to a ferry or shipper etc.

[tremens]

stupid laws and regulation in the end will have to end someday. If you don't want me to visit your city and leave some money no problem I will visit another. We will see who will be sorry in the end.

[rachel_norfolk]

Originally Posted by tremens

stupid laws and regulation in the end will have to end someday. If you don't want me to visit your city and leave some money no problem I will visit another. We will see who will be sorry in the end.

The cities have done the calculations and decided they are better off without you and your money.

Good on them. They are making better places to live.

[Threewheelbonnie]

Originally Posted by rachel_norfolk

. They are making better places to live.

No they aren't.

Leeds wants such a zone. I plan to leave anyway but this will speed things up. You need to sell before property prices crash . The result will be a shell populated by those too old or too lazy to get out. Working people don't have the time to faff about with peasant wagons, you can't carry tools on a bicycle, the taxes for daring to reject the collective will be insane . The woke elite will follow as endless coffee shops can no longer recruit staff and the new parks are taken over by druggies. They will of course finally be able to achieve their long term aim and change the cities name to Leningrad.

I haven't set foot in the current traffic managed zone for ten years. Better to travel 10+ miles the other way. How good for St. Gretas agenda is that?

Andy

[Jay_Benson]

There is now a requirement for all vehicles going into certain French cities to have a vignette related to the emissions of the vehicle. Failing to have the vignette can lead to a fine many times the cost of the vignette (which costs less than £10 including postage).

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/

They can be sourced before going to France from the French government web site here - https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/. It is recommended that you use the government site to avoid rip off fees from third party websites - you have to give the same information and they are unlikely to be any quicker and possibly slower.