Nice place you got here, I need a !

Now, under normal circumstances, much like that famous cowboy also born in Oklahoma, and who also went gaucho to Argentina, "I would never consider joining any group that would have me as a member,"

BUT I WAS SENT HERE! UNBELIEVEABLE!!!

And, as all patrons of this bar surely know, kidnappings are not normal circumstances.

The other guy was the famous Cherokee-American cowboy, comedian, humorist, social commentator, vaudeville performer and actor. Will Rogers until his untimely death in a plane crash in 1935 with his friend and also famous one eyed pilot Wally Post. Arguably, Will Rogers most famous quote is, " I never met a man I didn't like." Today that quote would be I never met a "person" I didn't like. I try my best, to live my life with these two simple, but brilliant, beliefs.

Enough, about me and my beliefs, here is what I want to share with you regarding kidnappings. Not, myself as a victim, but as a vicarious spectator wanting with all my heart to help the hostages.

If you are a trained and experienced *"remote viewer" (*DOD, CIA , etc and Wikipedia plus thousands of other internet references) and you are able to discover any truth about missing travelers in Tunisia, during a remote viewing sessions, do not post that information on:

Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road.

Especially if your post is 5 days prior to breaking news of the travelers kidnapping. For example, I posted:

"This info gathered via a remote viewing session. Take it or leave it, but I had to try. I am better than average but certainly not 100% all the time."

"I believe They went caravanning into desert, after Matmata about 150-175 K oases, or further in direction of TOZEUR some reason they are without their own cloths, dressing as locals? Fuel problem of some kind, keeps jamming in. Not absolutely sure about this at all.

My advice immediate contact with Berbers between Matmata and KEBILI, DOUZ or as far as TOZEUR indicated. Contact should be done in a manner conforming to Berber culture and language. Someone should spend some effort here. Wish I was there!"

Yep, I knew that and according to recent reports, it seems to be true.

And especially don't post if you are able to describe anything about the kidnapping with any detail that might turn out to have been true.

If you are the only one posting anything helpful, other than news reports, before it breaks in the international media beware, you will end up in the BAR, like me.

But first you will be insulted, and admonished for bringing to the table the religious based nature motivating the kidnapping. Oh no, we can't talk about that, oh no, we might hear something that conflicts with our beliefs. Your posts will be edited so your response to insulting remarks look like they come from thin air... And you will get a nice e-mail from the moderator, who has himself been raked over the coals, for allowing someone to even allude to the basic why of the kidnapping.

No, let's keep it all quiet, let's pretend they are the bad guys and we are compassionate loving people.

And second, never offer a solution that requires the participation of others that might actually, and this based on well documented similar situations in the past, help the abductors release their victims.

No, don't do that. I recommend you find a sandy patch of beach, no one has yet discovered, and just stick your head in the sand and wait.

Thanks for listening, Now, where's that ? xfiltrate

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Free speech

I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it." - Voltaire

But at the same time I strongly agree with:-

The Demon-Haunted World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And to my life I would rather defend a defender of science than a misseller of hope.

I wish all well

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Here, have a xfiltrate. Your efforts to help did not go unnoticed. Not sure what that was all about earlier. I think a number of misunderstandings got muddled, and alas, you were bumped. Not fair at all.
What you said about adhering to standards/customs of local culture was completely on. And I certainly don't think you should bury your head in the sand if it happens again. Instead, another , and get back on the bike again???
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Seriously . . . got held up by Maoists in Nepal last year. Cost me $60 to 'escape'. I got a discount from the standard $100 fee because I was not an American! They even gave me an official receipt!
But the real scary part was; they really did kidnap 35 males from the small village we were in (1 male person from each family) and took then all into the hills for the mandatory 6 month brainwashing before letting them return to their families!

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This thread reminds me of the Long Way Down chat about Kidnappings and when in Africa things go downhill very quickly.... "The PRATS"

Statistically you stand more chance of setting foot on the south pole then being kidnapped while being away form home.

But just in case Smile be nice and friendly, play dumb, if your going to be knidnapped might as well make em like you at least a little bit. Look at Patty Hearst she made it FUN to be kidnapped.

B*gger i have been there (well close enough anyway) twice .. so does this mean i am a target?? I shoudl stay home???

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No problem buying you a , or even nudging others to do the same. I predict you will be swimming in soon. lol

The basic problem is remote viewing, my definition, has aspects that cannot yet be measured, and certain measurements would be required to present as facts for peer evaluation (other scientist to duplicate) and as required for the inclusion in scientific journal articles. This is the route for something to be proven.

Many remote viewers started their quest for enlightenment as scientologists. Scientologists are not asked nor required to believe anything that is not absolutely true and proven by their own experience. This threatens many governments and many have gone to great effort to stop the scientologists, primarily because a key teaching is the importance of ethics in all aspects of life and this includes in governments. This insistence and the "putting in" of ethics in governments of the world is very disturbing to leaders of governments in general.

If you want to know what eithics are being put in by the scientologists, please refer to the official scientologist web site and check definitions.

OK, getting your ethics in via scientology or finding out about ethics and putting them in on yourself, by yourself, doing, or getting training in remote viewing by remote viewers, and by abiding by their protocol, will enable you to prove to yourself that remote viewing works or not .

It is a lot of work. Just getting my ethics in took me 30 years. I am a good person, but had no concept of ethics as required to enable myself to "remote view." You see, we, people are basically good and we withhold from ourselves our abilities for fear we will harm others. It is only when we gain the certainty that availing ourselves of our abilities will not hurt others, but help others survive, that we allow ourselves to have those abilities, like what is commonly called - remote viewing.

For me it is a lot of work. Each session, for me, requires half a day, at least, I have to be well rested, alcohol/any drug free comfortable and not hungry. I have to be there comfortably, sometimes for hours before I even exteriorize. Once exterior, as DLbiten said it is a bit scary and I have encountered others, also exteriorized. No harm has ever come to me, except becoming very depressed for short periods of time upon seeing things that upset me greatly.

Part of the training is to enable one to have facility up and down all the emotions and have the ability to put oneself in the appropriate emotion based upon accurate perceptions of others and the environment.

OK it is a lot of work. I suggest you get on with it. No one, is going to give you anything, you have to do the work.

Please do not launch into an attack on scientology here. I am merely stating the fact that many, including those who established the remote viewing programs of the militaries of the world, were or are scientologists. That is all! I do not put here at all, my opinion of scientology or of any other religion or philosophy. xfiltrate

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Wow! Thanks for that. Very interesting. Now of course I wouldn’t attack Scientology as you have been so kind to answer my questions. But I would guess that someone will at some point. I’m sure you know that it is word that produces a reaction amongst people. I don’t know more than I have read in the tabloids so wouldn’t even be able to comment. Certainly from what you write it sounds like a cross or combination of Buddhism and Star Wars. Or perhaps they sound like Scientology J
Anyway, obviously it hasn’t changed my view, but I would like one day to sit and get very drunk and discuss this further. I have learnt over years the ‘point’ of these discussions is not to persuade someone, but to slowly influence them. More influencing needed here!

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Most governments stand is not to pay ransom money...and rightly so.
Apart from that it is all down to your kidnappers so we cannot speculate on what if`s.

Just pray a lot....I find that works.

Steve

It has been exactly one year and one week since anyone contributed to this thread - Being kidnapped. A sober thought ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)

The thread has been very controversial, even a little antagonistic, and perhaps inspirational, but in my humble opinion, it has been very educational and interesting.

The thread evolved quickly into areas that did not fit within the ruling intellectual paradigm, probably ruffled some feathers and grew a new feather or two for some.

Being kidnapped is still a sober thought that, one year and one week later, still haunts some adventure motorcyclists.

I am revisiting this thread, not as an out cast, one exiled from another thread, although that has very recently happened again, but to ask all with interest in those who have recently been kidnapped in Mali and Mauritania (1 French, 3 Spaniards and 2 Italians) to follow the advice of steveindenmark (previous post) "Just pray a lot....." he has found that prayer works.

And please remember one of my countrymen " in true American fashion the man fought back furiously as they tried to kidnap him, when that failed they shot him in the head....... Chris Leggett (USA) and a Edwin Dryer (UK) who were both recently executed in Mauritania and Mali respectively.

Kidnapping is indeed a sober thought, I will also pray that someday the ruling intellectual paradigm, will consider new theories proposed by alternative research methods before they are *fait accompli mainstream news.

* fait accompli ... a thing that has already happened or been decided before those affected hear about it, leaving them with no option but to accept.

There is nothing to lose and a lot to gain.

Eat, Drink and Be Careful xfiltrate

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Amigos, and undecideds at the HU Bar,

I just noticed that Libya's Gaddafi really knows how to PARTY. According to this Reuters article, this past september....he went all out for his 40th anniversary of rule.... a 6 day bash, for those who want to see the pictures that accompanied the article, go here: the Reuters article is copied below.

Libya prepares for six-day Gaddafi celebrations / PHOTO [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]

Now, what does this fette in libya have to do with being kidnapped or anything as sober as what the hostages are experiencing right now?


Here are my thoughts. If you scroll down to the last paragraph of the article... you will note that "hot air balloons will be floating overhead while the Tuaregs display 1,000 camels."

Could the hot air balloons/small zeppelins be the new camels of the desert?

After all, the jet stream does sweep across Africa from Mauritania to Libya.

What if, a 4X4 is used by "locals" for the initial attack and taking of hostages from a relief convoy, or perhaps a from a private vehicle, the hostages are shoved into the 4X4 and quickly driven into the desert.

Then the hostages are transferred/sold to others with a hot air balloon/or something like a small zeppelin, possibly rigged for stealthy night flying.....

The 4X4 is buried in a pre-readied crater in the desert sand? The 4X4 tracks just end, as was the case when the 3 Spaniards were recently taken.

Would those sent to rescue the hostages think to look for a buried 4X4???

Meanwhile, while the air force, army and navy are mobilizing the hot air balloon lands at a "safe camp" where the hostages are held waiting other prearranged transport from a point not in the original area of the search.

Please remember, resources for rescue operations might be very limited initially and they will be focused on the immediate area of the attack and surrounding desert.

Perhaps the local 4X4 kidnappers also have camels waiting nearby for their escape.

At the end of the Gaddafi article, are some links to information on zeppelins currently operating in Africa.

Any thoughts from the HU Bar?

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Libya prepares for six-day Gaddafi celebrations / PHOTO
Libya will start marking 40th anniversary of Gaddafi ruling as military bands, 400 dancers, aerobatic planes are set to electrify a hot and drowsy Tripoli.
Tuesday, 01 September 2009 11:46

Libya will start marking 40th anniversary of Gaddafi ruling as military bands, 400 dancers, aerobatic planes and fireworks are set to electrify a hot and drowsy Tripoli from Tuesday.

Muammar Gaddafi throws Libya's biggest party.

The six days of celebrations across the north African country were designed to get the message across to the world that the long-isolated oil exporter was open again for business after years of heavy sanctions, organisers said.

Libya has invited dozens of Western heads of state but European leaders are expected to stay away, including Italy's Silvio Berlusconi who visited Libya on Sunday to mark the first anniversary of a Libyan-Italian friendship agreement.

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela will attend and a bevy of African leaders including Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe and Sudan's Omar Hassan al-Bashir, are expected to be in town for an African Union summit.

"Libya is opening up to the world -- that is the basic message," said Philippe Skaff, who heads the team coordinating the centrepiece celebration event. It includes companies from France and Britain.

"This is the first time they actually received thousands of foreigners with open arms. They are granting visas for this like they've never done before," he said.

But the United States and Britain angry at the "hero's welcome" that Tripoli gave a former Libyan agent who was freed by Scotland last month from a life sentence for the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people.

Gaddafi's rule

At home, political parties remain banned and Gaddafi staunchly defends his system of grass roots government by town-hall committee.

But foreign companies are back searching for oil or vying for contracts to build roads, railways, phone networks and schools.

As Tripoli counts down to its six-day party, lasers beam out into the Mediterranean through the hot, humid night air from the roofs of new hotels built to cater for the influx of foreigners.

Lights adorn buildings across the city, walls in the old town have been freshly whitewashed and rows of green Libyan flags flutter over its dusty streets.

Portraits of Gaddafi adorn billboards and buildings across the city, his features sometimes traced out in colourful neon lights. Two new oil tankers loom over the corniche in a statement of Libya's growing might as an energy producer.

The organisers say hundreds of thousands are expected in the capital on Tuesday night for a three-hour show tracing Libya's history and offering a glimpse of the future. They say its scale will rival an Olympic opening ceremony.

In the following days, hot air balloons will rise over the desert and Tuaregs will hold a festival featuring 1,000 camels. Libya's ancient coastal cities of Leptis Magna and Sabratha will come right up to date with sound and light displays.
Reuters

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Hi, this is the marginalized man, the cowboy sittin at the very end of the bar with his hat pulled down low and a report to give. Breaking news regarding the two Austrian hostages taken in the desert of Tunisia, is that the people claiming to have the couple, want to exchange the 2 hostages for a few of their own.

If anybody here can still walk you can go up to: Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road, and read the latest reports for yourself. The news agencies report that there is a 3 day deadline for the exchange to take place, knowing the muslim culture as I do, (as a military brat, I graduated high school in Ankara, Turkey), and wandered around a lot, in the middle east deadlines come and go frequently, without any change. But, it is my opinion that the ones who are holding the hostages are not fooling around.

I certainly don't want to get thrown out of here too, so let me put this in a way that everyone can have easily.

Please note the use of the word game has no positive or negative connotation. As it states in the dictionary, a game is played according to the rules, toward a specific goal. That's it.

The point of view of the captors (the ones who took the Austrians) might be that their "brothers" were also taken hostage and being held against their will.

I, personally, doubt the "brothers" in question were just doing the tourist thing in far off lands, and more likely were on some kind of a mission, with a goal, much more important to them, than just having a great road trip.

I may be wrong, but I believe the "brothers" entered the game, knew the rules and decided to play. On the other hand, the Austrian couple's goal was to have a great road trip, they went to Tunisia, a sort of tourist destination, knew those rules and decided to play.

They had little or no interest in playing any other game, beyond having a great road trip.

Apparently, on behalf of the "brothers" the captors decided to change the rules in the middle of the game for the Austrian couple. They have been forced into a game they never wanted to play.

The world has taken note of this event, the true heart and spirit of the "brothers" will be on the stage of public opinion no matter how this game ends.

I know, in my well worn heart, that this game will end soon and the world will rejoice as the Austrians return to their home, with a story to tell the world.

That's it for now, you can't imagine how cold your ears get when you have had your head stuck in beach sand for a night or two. How is it out there in the desert Chris? xfiltrate

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You need to get out more.
The place you live in too safe. I have seen people die from the work they do and one from jogging, had a hart atack and died right on the street, seen a few crashes that killed people.
You can get kidnap but will that fear rule your life? It wont rule mine.
To reduce you chances stay out of places know for it stay out of places where people are mad at your country. Try to get away, if you do get caught try to get on there good side. Most want cash and dont want to kill you, If its political ask about there side of the story say anything to keep them from getting mad at YOU. A little sympathy for there plite will go along way.

As an American I know people hate my government. There are places I cant go because of the trifling and wars a few rich greedy people have made.

That's the attitude that will get you free. Listen to them, you don't have to agree, but you HAVE to show respect for their beliefs. Besides mafia kidnappings, most are just wanting some attention and financial relief.

If you travel, leave your EGO at home!! Kindness and respect goes a long way. Have no AGENDAS and have a flexible schedule...

What most Gringos don't understand is that you ARE A GUEST and THEY OWN the home. I don't care what you "paid" for or what you think your "rights" are.....

Personally, I have only been held at gunpoint by Maoist "Shining Path" terrorists once, and we parted amicably .... Do I believe in their movement? No. They have killed friends of mine. Is anger and ATTITUDE going to heal the world? NO.

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Uhm... forgive me, if this is a really stupid question (or if it had been asked) - but if you ARE confident in your training/experience -- why are you posting on a public newsgroup about something which is so critical?

Would not your best course of action be, getting in touch with police / authorities / at worst, the relatives of the missing people?

Surely with talents such as yours, you have a responsiblity - else why bother making them public at all?

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