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Thats why some people believe we should have proportional representation!
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That was my point in fact.
Another statistic from the reporting:-
About 7% of the UK population get 56 seats (Scotland) and about 14% get just 2 (if the forecast at present turns out to be correct).
So, things have changed but they haven't; the constitution of the UK is very amiss; it could be best described as dysfunctional.
And, if the turnout of voters is analysed then it is likely to show that politics in Scotland is far more important to that electorate than it is the case in England et al.
Prediction:
The way it will go for the next 5 years is that UKIP will morph into some form of an English Independance Party (that is where they are receiving their support of nearly 4m votes) while both the Scots and Welsh continue to plough their own furrows (along with Northern Ireland of course).
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Done and dusted, for now
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That was my point in fact.
Another statistic from the reporting:-
About 7% of the UK population get 56 seats (Scotland) and about 14% get just 2 (if the forecast at present turns out to be correct).
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Quite apart from the absolute population figures, what happened is:-
37% of those who voted got some 331 seats and the govn they voted for.
31% of those who voted got 232 seats
13% of those who voted got 1 seat (the Kippers)
8% of those who voted got 8 seats (the Liberal-Dems)
7% of those who voted got 22 seats (the Others)
5% of those who voted got 56 seats (in Scotland)
So, it's another minority government that has to govern with a very thin majority in the parliament.
That will work then!
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13% of those who voted got 1 seat (the Kippers)
8% of those who voted got 8 seats (the Liberal-Dems)
7% of those who voted got 22 seats (the Others)
5% of those who voted got 56 seats (in Scotland)
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There has to be a better solution than the above. At the moment a massive percentage of votes cast have no impact whatsoever on the results, so no wonder that many people think they are disenfranchised. I think everyone's vote should have some impact even if it's a much diluted one.
If you apply the SNP results (4.7%) to the UKIP percentage (12.6%), UKIP should have got 150 seats.
According to the Electoral Reform Society, if the election had been run under the D'Hondt method of converting seats to votes, UKIP would have had 83 seats, LibDem 50 seats and SNP 25 seats. But this sounds too extreme in the opposite direction, maybe the ideal result lies a formula that gives a result somewhere in between.
But... back to lies, damned lies and polls...
According to the pollsters there was a sudden last minute shift in voting intentions. OK, so if this was the case you'd expect it to be reflected in this morning's polling.
Yet when YouGov poll asked this morning what respondents thought of the result of the election, a full 50% said they were disappointed or worse. This demonstrates that clearly the respondents are NOT representative of the voting public at large. So I won't be paying much attention to polls in the future.
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Well, put your thumbs in your braces and tell us all about it.
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Ed Miliband, born 24 December 1969; died, May 7 2015. He leaves behind a smug clique
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Well, put your thumbs in your braces and tell us all about it.
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"Ed Miliband, born 24 December 1969; died, May 7 2015. He leaves behind a smug clique of elitist a**eholes"
There are others who can tell the tale far better than I:
The 25 Hour News and Dead Ed: An Obituary
The Sunday Post: A Right Kick in the Balls
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I followed the links but didn't read them. If they had an opinion that they were prepared to put their name behind maybe i would have. Without some credentials their opinion is just that 'their anonymised opinion' and therefore no more valid than yours or mine and therefore not worth quoting, though clearly thats just my opinion. 
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I followed the links but didn't read them. If they had an opinion that they were prepared to put their name behind maybe i would have. Without some credentials their opinion is just that 'their anonymised opinion' and therefore no more valid than yours or mine and therefore not worth quoting, though clearly thats just my opinion. |
well, that's a matter of opinion!
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37% of those who voted got some 331 seats and the govn they voted for.
31% of those who voted got 232 seats
13% of those who voted got 1 seat (the Kippers)
8% of those who voted got 8 seats (the Liberal-Dems)
7% of those who voted got 22 seats (the Others)
5% of those who voted got 56 seats (in Scotland)
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I don't think Tim is saying that, but there must be an alternative system that reflects how people actually voted! The above is absurd.
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I don't think Tim is saying that, but there must be an alternative system that reflects how people actually voted! The above is absurd.
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I think the wards simply reflect the phenomenon that "birds of a feather flock together"; for example in this part of the world, a chimpanzee would get voted in if it wore a blue rosette (and funnily enough, would probably do a better job than the current incumbent MP).
Then again, you don't see any tories complaining about the results, do you? The system may be a bit rigged, but as long as the rigging keeps morons like UKIP on the fringes or out of British politics altogether, I think I can live with it.
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I think the wards simply reflect the phenomenon that "birds of a feather flock together"; for example in this part of the world, a chimpanzee would get voted in if it wore a blue rosette (and funnily enough, would probably do a better job than the current incumbent MP).
Then again, you don't see any tories complaining about the results, do you? The system may be a bit rigged, but as long as the rigging keeps morons like UKIP on the fringes or out of British politics altogether, I think I can live with it.
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The gaping faultline in that form of argument is that "the people" cannot be trusted to decide for themselves, so the politicians know best what we need and what is best for us, the electorate.
In itself, not much of a step onward from "no votes for women and a parliament composed of vested interests such as wealthy landowners" (not all that long ago in fact).
By the way, for those in the UK, there has just finished on the BBC a pretty good discussion about this very topic - every politician on the Question Time panel agreed that the current system is not fair and there were various suggestions about how to improve the current system.
One thing struck me, that was not discussed therein; two actually -
1) there is much more interest in politics in England since the rise of the SNP.
and 2) in general, contributions by the public to discussion points are better informed than they have been in the past (hence "due deference" to the politicos is declining and the latter are more often on the defensive).
In short, people are waking up.
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The gaping faultline in that form of argument is that "the people" cannot be trusted to decide for themselves, .
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As evidenced by the metro being the best selling car in the UK for many years, and 10th best seller of all time, and the mass market bollocks on the TV, the sun is the best selling newspaper
and thats before I even consider the stream of muppets coming through my ED department!
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I don't think Tim is saying that, but there must be an alternative system that reflects how people actually voted! The above is absurd.
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A stat mentioned on the TV debate of last night is that 25% of the UK people voted for the current government = 37% of those who actually voted on 7th May x the % which represents those who were registered to vote but some did not turn out on the day.
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As evidenced by the metro being the best selling car in the UK for many years, and 10th best seller of all time, and the mass market bollocks on the TV, the sun is the best selling newspaper
and thats before I even consider the stream of muppets coming through my ED department!
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Quite so, and there are many more examples.
So, the UK is decrepit and definitely gets the politicians that the people deserve, OR they are waking up and reading something other than the Sun newspaper; useful, informed blogs for example or this very Bulletin board or, --------------- name your own ideas for educating the populance.
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