We have all "heard" about this - and I would really, really like it to be true, but until we have first hand accounts - several rather than just one - of someone entering with their vehicle, spending most of their allocated 90 days travelling around, then flying out and returning months after the 90 days and then driving out without problems, I don't see that it would be wise to assume anything just because a TIP isn't issued. All it would take is for the vehicle to be noted on the computer against the passport.
So far there have been a couple of accounts of the initial entry, but nothing about collecting the vehicle months after flying out - or for that matter, even flying out and leaving the vehicle behind within the 90 days..

If it was true, then Brazil would become the #1 country for selling a vehicle and storing them. No risk of border confiscations or fines for overstaying. Sounds too good to be true but hope it is true.

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Obviously it IS true!
I entered a couple of days ago from Ciudad del Este to Foz de Iguacu, with my now-sold truck that contained my bike. NOONE was interested in me. I had to search for someone to import anything. They said, no, just continue. I re-entered to Paraguay with just the truck, imported it (also only for the new owner in order to officially nationalize it, otherwise noone cared) and returned on a moto-taxi (adrenaline!!).
The bike is right now officially nowhere as I have neither imported it into Paraguay (noone cared), but it is officially out of Argentina.
The hostal owner here, Rodolfo, who organized the HU meeting, says, there is NO TIP!
As to your concerns that this might allow a free sale here, it is a clear NO! If a brazilian wants to import the bike, it is tricky or at least very expensive. They have to pay around 100% taxes, as in Argentina. In Paraguay they pay around 40%only.
Tomorrow I will have a look at the cataratas on the argentinian side and return to Brazil. Then I know more...: )

I agree 100%, it makes no sense that a country that has such high import duties would stop controlling vehicles crossing its borders. Time will tell where the catch lies. Perhaps getting caught with an unregistered bike is met with stiff fines.

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2012/13 - NJ to Northern Argentina, Jamaica, Cuba and back to NJ
2023 - Peru, Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...back to Peru.

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I left and entered Brazil today and explicitely asked for it: THERE IS NO TIP!
Believe it or not...

Like Mulder on The X-Files, I believe. Not in UFOs, but that there is no longer a TIP requirement when you ride into Brazil.

I still wonder if there is a catch. Certainly if a Brazilian is riding your bike and it has foreign plates, there will be problems or at a minimum a conversation at the police station.

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2012/13 - NJ to Northern Argentina, Jamaica, Cuba and back to NJ
2023 - Peru, Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...back to Peru.

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Does TIP stand for Temporary import paperwork??? Just checking

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In a restaurant TIP stands for 'To Insure Promptness.' At a border it appears to stand of the other thing. =)

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2008/09 - NJ to Costa Rica and back to NJ
2012/13 - NJ to Northern Argentina, Jamaica, Cuba and back to NJ
2023 - Peru, Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...back to Peru.

Blogs: Peter's Ride

I need to say that I unconditionally accept that there is NO TIP ISSUED going into Brazil. This saves us 5 minutes at the border and means one less bit of paper to look after. WooHoo!!
What else does it mean for us travellers? Maybe nothing, maybe a lot. We don't know yet.

What I don't accept is that this automatically means it is open slather as far as leaving our vehicles behind while we go back home for a few months. Good if that is the case, but since I doubt whether anyone can get an official written clarification of this, we will only know once travellers have tried it out and come out unscathed. Not just one or two, but many, with no failures. This will take many months to determine the pattern and will require a few travellers to test it out.

Maybe I will be the first one to test it. I have free secure parking in Brasilia, I will be entering for a couple of months and then flying to Australia and the Europe for at least six months and then coming back to Brasil to continue the journey. That would be a pretty good test, but in itself won't be conclusive..
Sounds like norschweger will also be a guinea pig.

I know of one recent case where a vehicle came in to Brazil with no TIP being issued, was sold and the original owners flew back to Europe leaving it with the new owners. What I don't know is whether the new owners have yet left Brasil or if there was a Power of Attorney/Poder involved. Even if they have got out OK, sighting one blowfly doesn't mean that summer has arrived.

Argentina is a good example where hundreds leave their vehicles and head home without problems, but if you are silly enough to ask the customs if it is OK, they will tell you it is illegal. Many also sell their vehicles and fly out, but some new owners come seriously unstuck because it is illegal.

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TIP, TVIP Temporary (Vehicle) Import Permit - in one form or another is used by most countries from Mexico south - Brazil now excepted of course - and is roughly equivalent to the Carnet system used by many other countries (but heaps cheaper and more convenient) .
Some countries won't let you leave without taking the vehicle too, some let you leave provided you come back within the validity period of the original visa and TIP, some have different validity periods for visa and TIP, some can be extended in-country and some not. Some countries get together and have a single validity period for the total time spent in all those countries (like the Schengen zone in Europe)
No uniformity

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Thanks for the info Tony
Do you get the TIP/TVIP when you enter the Sth American country or do you get it before you go??

Cheers
Wayne

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Tony LEE, your information is PRICELESS! The fog of confusion is slowly clearing. Now to remember it all...


I'm guessing I'll be a testcase. I bought a bike from somebody here on the forum which is now stationed in Foz de Iguacu. He already went home, I'm picking it up in 2,5 months, and hope to drive clear out of Brazil. Hoping I won't have too much trouble.