Looking to buy bike or 4x4 in Ushuaia between now and end Feb...

[Sam Rutherford]

Subject says it all! Anyone completing a trip then, and wanting to save the shipping cost home - please get in touch.

It will be resold in Central America/USA sometime in April...

sam at prepare2go dot com for direct email.

Thanks, Sam.

[pickypalla]

i wrote you an email

[xfiltrate]

Sam Rutherford,

One reminder, if you, as a foreign tourist do buy a Moto or 4x4 in Argentina (perfectly legal) it is illegal for you to take that Moto or 4x4 out of Argentina, so selling it in Central America would be impossible and probably illegal in any Central American country anyway.

Please go here for more on buying in Argentina.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...a-buenos-47117

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[Sam Rutherford]

Idea is/was to buy a European or US registered vehicle - at which point presumably the local regs no longer apply. Once in the US, I would just resell it to someone wanting to drive it all the way back down again!

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Sam Rutherford,

Here is the deal - any foreign registered bike is allowed into Argentina or Chile or most other South American countries on a TVIP (temporary vehicle import permit) by accepting this temporary import the owner agrees not to sell the bike in country, to have valid insurance and to exit the bike within the time limits set by the TVIP.

Only the owner who entered the bike on a TVIP can exit the bike. The TVIP is issued at the border, port or air port - a secondary driver can be listed on the TVIP and entered into the computer only at time of issuance. (Some extreme exceptions)

If any illegal transfer of title occurs in country, all insurance purchased in country or a multi country Mercosur policy is immediately null and void and the buyer will not be able to legally purchase insurance.

Oh, I am very sure most insurance companies will sell you insurance but before paying any liability for property damage or personal injury the title of the bike will be professionally investigated and if an illegal sale - such as title transfer while entered into a country on a TVIP is discovered owner and new buyer may be arrested, the bike confiscated etc etc - without insurance which will be null and void if you illegally have attempted to purchase a foreign registered bike in country , you will stay in prison until a judge decides guilt and sentences or innocence.

The waiting time to get before a judge is 6 months or more, probably a lot more. If you have valid insurance, your insurance company will be able to bail you out until time to go before a judge. An illegal purchase eliminates this possibility.

Local police in South America are for crime prevention only - State/Provincial police and Federal police do the investigating. Usually everyone involved in a serious accident goes to jail. It takes months, sometimes years for the accident to be investigated and put on the docket to go before a judge.

So, you might want to presume your presumption once again....now that you know the facts.

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If you do decide to purchase an Argentine registered vehicle/moto in Argentina, complete instructions to buy new or used are available for free at my web site: www.xfiltrate.com or see ad on HUBB. just click on Buying a Motorcycle in Argentina

[Sam Rutherford]

Sorry, to make it clearer (though not more legal!), the plan was to not change the legal ownership - just pay for it and get a letter from the owner saying that I have right of use... Put my name on insurance, job done.

Clean and tidy, no. Legal, not entirely. A working solution - yes.

Cheers, Sam.

[xfiltrate]

Ok, might work! Keep working the angles.... just make sure whatever document you have from the real owner is valid in the countries you plan to visit. The process of obtaining an "Apostile" in Argentina can take months. You apply for an appointment - are issued a date and time via internet - you go to the office and then take a number - the appointments are usually months in the future. It is usually an all day affair and sometimes you - for whatever reasons the "Apostile" is denied. For different reasons, I have been through this process man times.
There were several recent cases - one an American with "permission" from another American - owner of the bike - crafted by an Argentine attorney that turned out to be only valid in Argentina - the country where the attorney was certified as an attorney. He was not able to enter either Chile Bolivia or Brazil but was legal to ride Argentina - but the insurance in the name of the legal owner did not cover him. fortunately, he did not have an accident.

You might need an "Apostile". this can be acquired from the Secretary of State of one country that certifies the "permission" document or whatever document, is indeed valid in the country the secretary serves. This might legalize an Argentine document in Chile etc.

If whatever insurance the owner has ..... will add your name to the policy this will be news to me. All companies I have delt with only insure the legal owner. Please post here if you are able to pull this off. And advise what happens when you leave Argentina and have to purchase insurance in Chile without the owner being present?

Others posting here may have had a different experience. Remember the legal owner and you as the driver could both be held responsible if the accident involves serious property damage, personal injury or death.

Look, I want to find legal solutions as much as you do . If you are able to insure a motorcycle or even enter the motorcycle into another country without the owner being present at the border or able to purchase of insurance in a new country without the owner being present, please post here as there are many, did I say many, searching for similar legal solutions.

Also remember that just because you are sold insurance - the fine print might exclude the company from covering you. All policies state that the vehicle/moto is legally being operated in the country. This statement represents many loopholes enabling the insurance companies not to pay claim or bail people out of jail.

Let's keep in contact. I am well connected in South America and available if you need assistance - and in case you are wondering, all my advice/help is free. I retired long ago from various careers in Mexico, Central and South America and still own a motorcycle parking business in Buenos Aires. I also speak Spanish. see ad on HUBB
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[Sam Rutherford]

Thanks!

Check our website: Film Logistics, Aviation, Ferry pilot service, Rally, Safaris

We're working these solutions all the time, since 1998.

A notarised letter from the owner stating that the driver has full rights of use deals with the legality of driving it.

We get global insurance from a company in Holland, just add any driver names we want and accepted everywhere (not even that much more expensive than buying separately in every country).

If using a carnet, get the driver's name added to the carnet.

We've never had a problem yet...

Cheers, Sam.

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Sam Rutherford, WOW

You will doing a great service if you provide the link for the mentioned "global" insurance company based in Holland that covers motorcycles in South American Countries. Who can qualify? What are the actual costs? What is covered? We will have many questions.

You know Argentine motorcycle insurance only costs about $30.00 - $40.00 USD a month - can your Holland insurance really beat that? Amazing!

Also who notarizes the letter from the owner giving permission for a second driver? Is that letter/notary actually accepted in South America? I really doubt it - if it ever gets to a court case involving an accident.

As you probably know no South American country requires a Carnet, but you might want to promote your link in other regions of the HUBB.

I checked out the professional web site - don't really see how that can help an individual facing the challenges we speak of on this particular post unless you provide the name of the Holland based global insurance company so we can take a look at who they insure and what they cover.

Please submit the link for the mentioned "global" insurance company as many reading here will be interested. Need to read the fine print.

Please don't just put this carrot on a stick in front of us without actually verifying your post. thanks

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[Sam Rutherford]

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Ask for Maria Alessie herself. The cost depends on the duration and number of countries.

Please tell her that you got your details from me, Sam. (at Prepare2go)

Any notary, anywhere (helps to also have a copy of the owners passport so they can match signatures, but they almost never ask this).

If you're on the insurance, you're insured - it's not more complicated than that. Millions of drivers around the world don't own the vehicle they're driving!

Safe travels, Sam.

[xfiltrate]

Sam, can I call you Sam, maybe "play it again Sam". from your web site claiming to be global insurance

"Eligible vehicles: Motorcycle not among them!

Private passenger automobiles, caravans, campers, vans, pick-up trucks, trucks/lorries (for export), classic cars.

Please contact Assurantiekantoor Alessie for a detailed quote."

I will be following up with:

Assurantiekantoor Alessie
Eliotplaats 174
3068 VL Rotterdam
The Netherlands
Tel. +31-10-4555946
Fax. +31-10-4555948

Mrs. Maria M. Alessie

web site states :
"Our Website is currently under construction. The old version which may contain inaccurate information can be found here."

Maybe they used to insure motorcycles.

I don't think you know what you are talking about when it comes to adding a driver on just about any South American generated vehicle insurance. Sure, they may add a name, but if that person is legally covered - based on the "legally operating" in the country clause must also be considered.

I will post here my results from com with Alessie.

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[Sam Rutherford]

You're a weird guy. Trying to make simple look difficult, it isn't.

The very first paragraph of their website:

Assurantiekantoor Alessie is specialized in temporary insurance for automobiles, campers and motorcycles. Whether you are planning a world trip, traveling for pleasure, business, or staying in a foreign country as temporary resident or student, Assurantiekantoor Alessie has the right insurance for you.

We've insured bikes with them in the past, though we do usually use cars and trucks.

It's not South American insurance, it's from Holland. If you're on the policy, you're insured - it's not complicated!

When you've done what we've done over the last 18 years (in over 140 countries so far) we'll talk again.

Nobody has to follow my suggestions, I was just trying to be helpful.

Goodbye.

[xfiltrate]

Sam, I could not verify coverage of motorcycles by looking at web site, so I have written and sent the following e-mail to Mrs. Alessie as suggested.

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Quotes for Insurance
EG



Reply|
Today, 1:24 PM
Alessie@Alessie.com
Mrs. Alessie,

I am the proprietor of a motorcycle parking business in Buenos Aires, Argentina and as you will learn from our web site,
www.Xfiltrate.com - Professional Motorcycle Parking we also assist foreigners in purchasing new or used motorcycles/vehicles in Argentina.

In the course of recent posts on horizons unlimited.com where we have purchased an ad and post frequently , your name has been associated with motorcycle insurance for South American by Sam - Sam. (at Prepare2go).

Naturally, I am interested in motorcycle insurance for South America. Could you please answer the following questions?

1. Who is eligible to purchase insurance for their motorcycle and be covered in South America? Any age limits, driving history required, licenses etc. ? Does it matter where the driving permit is issued or must the client have a foreign or domestic driving permit legal in the countries ridden?

2. Does it matter where the motorcycle is titled? If the registration is current and has current tags or not? Does it matter who is riding the motorcycle ? Can additional riders be added at will - How?

3. Do you require that the motorcycle is being legally operated according to the laws of the South American country where it is ridden?
Will you pay liabilities in the event of accidental property damage and or personal injury if a South American court decides your client or whoever is riding the bike is at fault, but the bike was being illegally operated according to the laws of the foreign country?

4. Could you give me a standard quotes and coverages available for motorcycles? Just a few examples of cost relating to countries insured and types of motorcycles.

If you need more information about the potential clients please advise. Here are some examples.

A. The motorcycle is a BMW 2015 G650GS registered in California to the legal owner, the bike was legally entered into Argentina on a TVIP - (temporary vehicle import permit) but the owner decides to go home and permits a friend to ride the motorcycle from Argentina into Chile and up through Peru to Ecuador and then on to Colombia where the bike will be airlifted to Panama and then ridden through Central America to California. Will the additional rider be covered - does the additional rider have to be legally able to operate the bike in each country ridden according to the laws of that country?

B. The legal foreign owner of an Argentine registered Honda NX400 Falcon needs a quote to buy coverage to ride around Argentina for 6 months. What coverage is available and what would it cost?

C. A citizen of the USA wants to ride into Mexico and Guatemala for 6 months on a new BMW 1200 registered in New York - Would you cover this bike/person. what would the quote be and what coverages are available?

Thank you.


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Sam, When Mrs. Alessie responds, I will post reply here.

I want to point out there are many, many questions that should be asked when purchasing any insurance. No need to call me weird unless it troubles you that someone actually wants to understand the coverage to be purchased?

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Sam Rutherford,

Sam, it might be very, very, extremely complicated, not simple at all, as you have suggested, to purchase motorcycle insurance for South America from Assurantiekantoor insurance company of Holland because they do not offer motorcycle insurance for Central or South America. How weird is that?
Just as I suspected.

If you really want to "help" please post accurate information on the HUBB.

As promised here is the reply from Mrs. Alessie, nice lady.

I stand by everything I have posted this thread.

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RE: Quotes for Insurance
AA
Assurantiekantoor Alessie


Reply|
Today, 10:04 AM

Dear Mr. XXX

Thank you very much for your message below.

Unfortunately we cannot help you anymore as the insurance company that we have worked with for over 40 years decided in 2015 to discontinue the insurance program for South and Central America.

At this moment we refer clients to an Argentinean insurance agent who can offer Third Party Liability insurance for Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay. His name is Roby Speiser and you can reach him at roby@speiserseguros.com.ar
He speaks Spanish, German and English.
He may be able to answer your questions and work with you for future applications.

We thank you again and wish you all the best for the year 2017 !

Best regards,
Maria M. Alessie
Assurantiekantoor Alessie
Eliotplaats 174
3068 VL Rotterdam
The Netherlands

tel +31 10 4 555 946
fax +31 10 4 555 948
alessie@alessie.com

[Sam Rutherford]

Like I said, you're a weird guy. You seem very aggressive about everything.

Alessie have suggested an alternative possibility - and I'm sure there are more if people take the time to look.

In the meantime, the Alessie information was at least useful for people going elsewhere.

Safe travels, Sam.