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Hm. How do I find the Chara Sands on Google Earth? All the keywords Shustrik mentioned wouldn't work for me.
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It's at N56 50 E118 8 west of Tynda
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No worries! Leave some for us.
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That is a strange and small desert in what appears to be, on Google Earth, a well watered area (river courses nearby).
Does anyone know why this sand desert exists over such a small area?
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Been looking at the same trip myself Chris ... with a twist ... out to the far east via the BAM road (I have an up to date Russian Road atlas if you need a peek, just give me a bell mate), then fly up to Magadan, and back west via the Kolymna Road (Road of Bones) to Yakutsk and then the really challenging bit ... the Lensky Trakt ... a zimnik (winter road) that follows the Lena from Yakutsk back to Ust Kut. If you get stuck there are plenty of boats and hydrofoils to bail out with.
There is also a decent road from Yakutsk to Lensk (2/3 of the way back to Ust Kut), that heads West first and then south ... and not following the Lena river.
I wouldnt want to do the Lensky Trakt solo tho .....
Some good reading on the area are Athol Yates' BAM / Kolymna guide, tho it is very Rail centric ... has good info on towns and Chara Sands and other bits of interest along the way. Also just read a good book on the Lena villages and towns ... River of No Reprieve, by Moscow based American Jeffrey Tayler
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Hi Walter, sounds like the ravings of a bloke who's been indoors looking outdoors too long! The RoB stage would be your only chance to relax!
Been in touch with the BAM author who tells me AFAHR there's is not much of a track alongside the BAM - no surprise there. And as there is a daily train the track would see a lot less traffic than the RoB so I wonder if it even exists much of the time? I suppose there is the railway between trains and over rivers.
up to date Russian Road atlas
Is that the £35 one - yes I'd like to borrow it as it happens. Had a quick look at it in Stanfords the other day, but not long enough to see much.
I read about some RTW HPV'ers who paddled and pedalled and skied across from Alaska in winter and planned to take the Lenska in summer but among other stuff (like falling out) got put off by ...
hundreds of kilometers of rough travel without access to immunization from a notorious tick (species Ioxodes) very active in the region at this time of year (one of ten bites is deadly, but immunizations are available in cities such as Irkutsk)
Still, they were on pushbikes so would have got eaten alive.
the Lensky Trakt ... a zimnik (winter road) that follows the Lena from Yakutsk back to Ust Kut. If you get stuck there are plenty of boats and hydrofoils to bail out with.
As I understand it the Lena River IS the zimnik, there is no continuous riverside road much as in summer the towns rely on boats. In between they bomb it asap to stop the block ice backing up the river and flooding like it did in 2001 (Lensk was ruined, Yak got flooded).
There is also a decent road from Yakutsk to Lensk (2/3 of the way back to Ust Kut), that heads West first and then south ... and not following the Lena river.
Yes, read about this one somewhere too - this would be the summer 'letnik' such as it is. Are you sure it's 'decent'? No trains or boats to bail you out on this one.
I think it would be a job for ag bikes - it's like the Darien but without so many bandits and about 80 times as long! To do it in one summer you'd have to take the rivers as you find them so would want something like this:
[landrover pic]
Stick a branch through each wheel of the bike and sit it on a blow up pontoon each side.
Or lay the bike on a pair of Alpackas - they weigh less than 2kg each:
https://www.alpackaraft.com/store/in...D=66&do=detail
Then followers could get towed over too. It all sounds so easy behind a keyboard!
River of No Reprieve
As it happens I just tracked that down yesterday and was going to buy it so I'll borrow that too if I may. Clearly we are on the same diabolical wavelength...
Ch
PS, nice westher forecast:
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a notorious tick (species Ioxodes) very active in the region at this time of year (one of ten bites is deadly, but immunizations are available in cities such as Irkutsk)
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Yes ... this little sucker is only really a problem in May and June (so I am led to believe). Going on a motorcycle gives you a bit more time flexibility than a pushbike, and as long as you stuck to July August September, the Ixodes doesnt come in to it
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Been in touch with the BAM author who tells me AFAHR there's is not much of a track alongside the BAM - no surprise there. And as there is a daily train the track would see a lot less traffic than the RoB so I wonder if it even exists much of the time? I suppose there is the railway between trains and over rivers.
up to date Russian Road atlas
Is that the £35 one - yes I'd like to borrow it as it happens. Had a quick look at it in Stanfords the other day, but not long enough to see much.
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AFAIK Mr Yates was last there in 1999, so its very possible if not very likely much will have changed in terms of roads. More recent road atlases show a lot more "roadage" than ones I bought 3-4 years ago. That is possibly due to increased grader usage.
Just looking at my road atlas now ... and without any shadow of a doubt it is showing a definite road all the way from Bratsk (or even to Tulun if you want to go bank to the main trans siberian), through Ust Kut, Tynda and all the way to Komsomolsk. From Komsolmolsk to the coast at Sovetskaya Gavan there is no road marked on my atlas, yet I know for a fact Mr Attwood here in this very post rode a dirt track from Sovetskaya Gavan past Komsomolsk to Khabarovsk twice in 2004 and lived to tell the tale.
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North of Bajkal
Helo Chris!
1. Don´t believe any maps from Russia!
2. In my information north of Baikal is road but not bridges across Angara river. You must use train bridges and tunnels.
3. One possibility is flow by boat from Ust-Kut (Bratsk) by Lena river to Jakutsk.
Main road in Russia are in good condition, but small road are only mud. North from Bajkal are only swamps.
But Bajkal, Tuva and Burjatia republic are nice place on world. People are very hospitable, but have a lot problems with alcohol.
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The road immediately to the east of Baikal looks a lot tougher than Skovo - Tynda etc.
Yes that was my instinctive impression.
1. Don´t believe any maps from Russia!
Same goes for many maps rtw. I think you have to compare map depictions to actual known routes (such as RoB) and then guestimate.
2. In my information north of Baikal is road but not bridges across Angara river. You must use train bridges and tunnels.
Well according to GE it looks like something has been built in parrallel to something older over the river at Novy Ouyan (N56 11 W111 38) and as we hear Trannie Man managed it.
There is a kilometre long bridge over a reservoir 300km west of Tynda which looks kind of exposed. And there is the 16km long Severo' tunnel after Angara. I suppose best would be follow a train through - or take the bypass.
Main road in Russia are in good condition, but small road are only mud. North from Bajkal are only swamps.
Yes I would guess the network of backroads on an atlas gives a false impression of rideable possibilities but the railway is there for sure and with some sort of quickly-deployable amphibious element you wonder why there aren't queues forming already!
But Bajkal, Tuva and Burjatia republic are nice place on world. People are very hospitable, but have a lot problems with alcohol.
Even with the drunks I think the social aspect would be part of the appeal of FE Russia, so it would be a shame to rush the BAM, even if you could...
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