Tons of ways to load POI ,, way points ,,
I even loaded Walter's way points on my sygic.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...oid+navigation

For the sake of objectivity, I’ll reply Seouljoe

It is clear that you, for some unknown reason, dislike Garmin. This is your choice and your right. You have posted obsessively on that subject for a long time ‘ad nauseatum’ and it really serves no purpose.

It would greatly help others if you could refrain from this from now on and avoid posting misleading information driven by your above feeling. Allow others to draw their own conclusions based on objective and impartial reviews. It is important to provide as accurate information as possible.

From what you have posted, and I say this without wishing to cause you any offense SeoulJoe, it is clear that you have very little understanding of real Navigation and even less of the Monterra as evidenced below- replying to the points you raised:

* All electronic devices from computers/satnavs/mobile phones/smart phones/diagnostic devices/ TV's etc. have had software updates- It is just the way things are. Most are designed to resolve issues and offer improvements although, at times, not always!

* The Monterra’s original compass drift has been corrected quite some time ago.

* The unit’s battery longevity is virtually the same as the Montana satnav unless, of course, you use the new and additional Apops - some power hungry-running under Android such as Bluetooth/Wifi / Skype etc. – most people use a powered mount.

* The music level, at maximum, is loud enough to remain loud at 70mph, being the local legal limit in the UK and close to most in Europe. I cannot comprehend the need for having music blaring out from speakers mounted on a motorcycle; it seems rather puerile and attention seeking to me.

* Your comment: “The unit cannot direct you in a straight line to a point in the middle of an open field if you follow the map pointer.” Is misleading and totally incorrect.
The Monterra can (indeed as can the Montana and 64ST) navigate ‘point to point’ in a straight line with or without mapping using either the pointer or compass pointer. There are many routing options within the Monterra’s settings to allow you to do this as well as using the icon Sight-N’-Go option which is particularly useful on trails and/or featureless terrain.

I understand your love of smart-phones and they are indeed excellent. I’m probably as attached to mine as you are to yours!

What would be useful ,as you appear to know about smart phones, would be for you to take the time to post your in depth review of the ones you are using and feel are particularly good for travel to help others decide.

Gunt86
FYI- in addition to the huge number of POI’s within City Navigator 2015-2 (and I am going to guess is similar in other Garmin CityNav products) I have databases of currently just over 318,000 of them- plus the 31,007 campsites contained in Archie’s Europe.
These have worked in the 278C, 60CSX, 62S, Montana, 64ST and lastly the Monterra.

=> There is a way of creating your own POI files in .csv format which enables a very large amount ** of waypoints to be available in a small (-er file than a .gpx) file- the only downside of the .csv (or .gpx) files is that they cannot be edited once in the unit if a waypoint if found to be wrong/missing as you are going along. I hope this is useful to you and feel free to pm me if you'd like to know 'how to' (assuming you don't know! apologies if you do.)

** very large compared to various limits in different satnavs- of 'live-aka editable' waypoints.

I always travel with paper maps ( Rese Know-How are very good if available) and a compass as well as my smart phone and sat nav which both provide useful additional information and navigation.

As Robbie says ,,

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Time this thread was locked imho

whilst the debate between phones/gps is of use to travellers the thread turned into a one man campaign after page 1.

I use both a phone and garmin gps and without fail the garmin is quicker and more accurate. Loading osm is a 2 stage process for the gps over a 1 stage on the phone, big deal when the gps show more info off the blackstuff.

I still can't find an app that provides the same level of detail in the maps or the same off road navigation ability. Sure there are some android apps which look good but none seem to have accurate maps of North Africa which renders them useless for me.

In the time I've had my gps, my phone has needed hundreds of sw updates and app udates, the garmin probably half a dozen at most

"recalculating recalculating" er - operator error or out of date maps, not the hardware.

Bertrand's well balanced post says it all, much more helpful than the one he responded to or the subsequent replies

What was that about workmen blaming their tools?

Remember ,, most of your navigation requirement ,, be it on the bike,, walking ,, cycling,,, cars ,, boats or small plane,, are free. For more details ,, a nominal USD 1 to USD 100 ,, you can travel through most of this small planet,, without getting lost ,, using these tools.

First url mentiones 1,500 camp sites POI, in the world. Free.

Idea is simple,, yes for free,, and yes with out low qualty hardware and software. With out the terrible after service hassle.

Only two years ago , I was travelling with a big 35mm camera ,, a note book ,, two smart phones and two garmins. Only thing that failed me were the garmins.

For the next trip ,, I will be carrying just two smart phones,, one beaten one for the handle bar,,, a good one as a back up, with my passport and credit cards,, inside my money belt.

New apps are keep coming like the Niagara,,

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...hone-app-78384

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...mytracks&hl=en

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....android&hl=en

Locus Map, Android GPS offline maps for hiking, geocaching

CyclingAbout.com – The Best Apps for GPS Navigation on a Smartphone

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...avigator&hl=en

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...apswithme.maps

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...com.sygic.aura

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...?id=net.osmand

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....maverick.lite

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ctor.navigator

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hme.maps&hl=en

iPhone - Smartphone - TomTom

How to use Google Maps offline mode on iOS, Android - CNET

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Than you haven't been paying attention and are blaming the tools before you know how to use them.

Don't advocate closure if you don't even do that because this thread has all that info.

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Andy

I hope not. Lot's of useful info mixed in with the brand image/purchase guilt stuff.


I for one won't be buying anything else from TomTom (which replaced my Garmins after I also fell out with their less than useful attributes). I have to have the phone as a phone, so making it work as the navigation, music player, camera, thing for driving tent pegs into the ground is IMHO the way to go. Just getting going myself, hence Joe's info is great for me.


Andy

A good GPS unit definitely has its advantages over using a phone (I'd say that the bargain variety like my Garmin 60csx had more disadvantages tho). Riding fast in the dirt following a mapped track for instance is much better with a good GPS.

What I find objectionable is the impression that I've gotten from some folks in the past that unless you have XY and Z bit of expensive kit, you will surely be in great peril. This seems contrary to the DIY spirit of moto adventuring, and has little basis in reality. Reality is that I've been riding around in Africa for a year using an Iphone 4 in a $20 case running a 2 generations old operating system, and a free app with no problems whatsoever.

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So that's become a crux point of the debate. What's the advantage?

I used to think so as well but can't really backup that view anymore.

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