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Depends what you mean by 'excellent' condition. Very rarely you can find new ones, but at the price (>6000 EUR) I'm not sure if they are a good deal. BUT you can find some in excellent mechanical condition, with some mileage and scratches on the tank, which are great value.
Check this site: mil Suchergebnisse: Motorräder bei mobile.de
You will have to check back every couple of weeks or so. Most places that sell them are large vehicle dealers that buy them in containers of 20. They sell them off and when they're gone they might get another container. So depending on your timing you get to pick a nice one or be stuffed with left-overs. Or you could try to buy from a civilian owner, hoping that pre-selection has already occurred ;-) The merchant in Neumuenster had pretty shitty ones last time I looked (car merchant, not interested in keeping them in good condition). The one in Niebuell (currently offering 7 KTM mils) however is a bike dealer, so chances are that they've been given a service before you buy, but I haven't been there myself.
But one very important note for anyone interested in this bike:
I know two people on this site who had engine failures with this bike. The rocker arm rollers are a weak spot, especially the small bearing. Make sure you check it before your trip, or at least when you are approaching 25.000km, and replace it asap if it is showing signs of wear. I had mine checked before departure, and it needed a new bearing. No big deal, but if you miss this chance and the bearing goes, the cam bearings and cam shaft will follow, and that will be costly. Apart from that, take maintenance seriously (change oil and lube air filter every 5000km, check valve lash (tell-tale of rocker arm problem at least every 5000km). If you do that, then you have gotten yourself an extremely sweet and robust ride for very little money (starting from 2000 EUR if you are lucky). The WP suspension on this little machine is absolutely awesome!
In addition, tyres, chains, etc last an absolute eternity on this bike. Things that I would consider essential to modify or to take on a trip are as follows:
- add neoprene fork gaiters (~25 EUR) if you are going to dusty places (applies to any USD fork)
- put on a hand adjustable fuel mixture screw (~20 EUR) if you are going to go to high altitudes.
- take a bottle of magura blood (hydraulic clutch fluid) (~5 EUR)!!!
- take a carb needle jet and jet needle as spare (~20 EUR)
- take some oil filters, they can be hard to find
- consider converting to or adding HIDs, the standard head-lamp is pretty shitty.
Other than that, it's a great overlander right off the shelve! More infos/experiences PM me if you like or have a look at Moto Eurasia
Oh and one more thing: not sure if it's true, but I am told that KTM Mils are used for three purposes by the German military: 1) Escort vehicle - high milage, but usually in very good condition; 2) driving school - can be good, can be bad; if you are lucky then excellent mechanical condition, low milage but enough scratches on the tank to bring the price down; 3) physical exercise for members of the special forces (KSK) - you really don't want one of these! If you have frame numbers of potential bikes, then any KTM dealer can tell you where the bike was based, what it was used for and what maintenance/repairs have been done on it. The army has a maintenance contract with KTM, so it's all in the KTM database.
Good luck :-)
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One more thing just came to my mind: originally the bike has two ignition settings: one that will only power the ignition and nothing else (no head light, no horn, no indicators, no dash light, not even the neutral lamp has power), and a second one that works as expected (head light always on). When you buy the bike, the "cloak" setting has most likely been disabled to make the bike road legal, but it's well worth converting it back. It makes kick-starting the bike a lot easier, and it enables you to run the bike without battery
You'll have to check how they disabled it, but most likely you'll find an orange cable behind the lamp mask that has been disconnected. Put it back where it belongs, and you got another very cool feature on the bike.
Edit: here's a pic of the cable that had been disconnected on my bike, see red arrow:
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Originally Posted by Sirakor
Depends what you mean by 'excellent' condition. Very rarely you can find new ones, but at the price (>6000 EUR) I'm not sure if they are a good deal. BUT you can find some in excellent mechanical condition, with some mileage and scratches on the tank, which are great value.
Oh and one more thing: not sure if it's true, but I am told that KTM Mils are used for three purposes by the German military: 1) Escort vehicle - high milage, but usually in very good condition; 2) driving school - can be good, can be bad; if you are lucky then excellent mechanical condition, low milage but enough scratches on the tank to bring the price down; 3) physical exercise for members of the special forces (KSK) - you really don't want one of these! If you have frame numbers of potential bikes, then any KTM dealer can tell you where the bike was based, what it was used for and what maintenance/repairs have been done on it. The army has a maintenance contract with KTM, so it's all in the KTM database.
Good luck :-)
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Sirakor, Thank you for your reply and informative information, you have been a great help and I am gping to be looking into it. Right now I am in a market for a adventure/enduro 400cc- 800cc range for a trip from Vancouver Canada to the most Southern Tip of South America. There are too bikes many I want...
Best regards
rudy
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3 Feb 2010
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Does anybody have any ideas where I could get one in Austria?
OR anybody know how tough it is to buy a bike in Germany & register it in Austria?
also, what is the seat height on one of theses bad boys?
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No idea where to buy these in Austria, I guess there must be an Austrian website for used motorbikes.
There are only a few for sale in Germany at the moment, one close to the Austrian border, in Traunreut or something (check on mobile.de). I wouldn't pay the asking price though, mine (same year of 1st registration) was cheaper two years ago and had only half the mileage. Registration in Austria shouldn't be a problem since both countries are in the EU, but you'll better check with the authorities. I registered a British bike in Germany and it was very straightforward (apart from having to change the headlight), no duty or tax.
Peer
PS: Not sure about seat hight in mm right now, but I'm 1,80 and reach the ground with both feet easily. With luggage I can even bend my knees a bit and have both feet fully and firmly on the ground.
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Hey guys,
Roughly how much would it cost to have someone change out the the rocker arm rollers and the small bearing?
(if you haven't noticed I am looking into buying one  )
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