Countries that sell Adblue?

[grizzly7]

Hi folks

Being kinda curious, I was wondering how many countries outside of Europe sell Adblue for trucks? I can't find a list



I'm thinking that at the moment if I bought a new truck today to turn into a camper and travel, it "probably" won't run without it. Two different sources have suggested you need a volume of about 20l of Adblue per 500 miles (at 10 miles per UK gallon roughly speaking!), so for a trip of 20,000 miles I'd need 1000l of it! Thats a lot to carry from the start!



Longer term the Euro 5 standard will spread, but slowly. So in five or ten years time I'd need to buy an even older truck (to be Euro 3 or earlier and no Adblue) for many areas of the world. You may even reach a point where a truck suitable in some less developed countries is illegal in low pollution ones.

Any input welcomed!

Cheers

Jason

[tacr2man]

you can buy simulators that send the right signals to the engine ecu so it does not derate for emissions regs in countries where they do not req and dont have adblue suppliers try googling ad blue simulators HTSH

[m37charlie]

Originally Posted by grizzly7

Two different sources have suggested you need a volume of about 20l of Adblue per 500 miles (at 10 miles per UK gallon roughly speaking!), so for a trip of 20,000 miles I'd need 1000l of it! Thats a lot to carry from the start!

Your consumption estimate is way off.
AdBlue consumption is about 1.5% fuel consumption. So if fuel consumption is 20L/100km, AdBlue consumption would be 0.3L/100km.
So 20L would last 6700km.
A Unicat Actros built for an owner in China had a 148L tank:

[url=http://www.unicat.net/en/info/EX70HDM-MBActros6x6.html]UNICAT

At 40L/100km fuel consumption the AdBlue would last 25000km.
At your figure of 10mi/imp. gal, that is about 28L/100km or AdBlue consumption or 0.42L/100km. 1000L would last 238,000 km or 143,000 miles!
Of course the best thing would be to delete SCR/DPF if technically possible and not subject to close annual inspection.

Charlie

[grizzly7]

Hi Charlie.

I'd visited a Merc dealer in the UK asking that very question about a U4000/5000, and was told the Adblue 18l tank needs refilling about every two 145l diesel tank fulls, and an Adblue site I then checked said 5% of diesel consumption. Bad mental arithmatic got me matching the website and Merc dealer info, sorry.

If the Merc dealer is correct, and allowing for extra consumption off tarmac as well as variation in trip milage then 1000l of Adblue still isn't overkill if you can't buy it. Wether it is available is what I was trying to ascertain.

A current Volvo truck website says "It is expected that the average AdBlue consumption will be about 5% by volume of diesel consumption for Euro IV and about 6% for Euro V", and a presumably older DAF site says 3-4% for Euro IV.

Adblue - Adblue : Volvo Truck and Bus Centre North & Scotland

http://www.daf.eu/SiteCollectionDocu..._the_facts.pdf

This chart also suggests 5%, maybe the Merc dealer was a little out, or does a new Mog just uses more?!

Information�::�AdBlue Online

But anyway, where can you buy the stuff??!!

Jason

[m37charlie]

4-6% seems high, my personal experience is only 1.5% but it is with a US EPA 2012 BMW X5 35d which has a (dreadful) EGR system to further reduce NOx production. Euro 4 and 5 Mercs don't have EGR to my knowledge. Have you talked to anyone who actually drives them?
You are not going to find much AdBlue outside Western Europe and North America (even here it isn't ubiquitous) - in Russia maybe only Moscow and St Petersburg, China just Beijing; I didn't see any bowsers of it in Australia 2010-2012.

Charlie

[grizzly7]

Hiya

I didn't think it would be available, and hadn't found much info for it outside of Europe, but maybe someone will pop up saying "yes I can buy it in xxxxx". There were a few sites in the Middle East.

No I havn't spoken to anyone using it, it just seems to me to be another reason to stick with something older at the moment!

Jason

[tacr2man]

For what its worth adblue usage in trucks(HGV) various makes seems to vary a lot by type of motoring you are doing , ie when at limited speed on motorway cruise very light usage , when working hard eg pulling up hills on windy country roads usage increases quite a bit . Sorry cant give figures as due to its availability and not paying for it how fast it was being used didnt bother me ! HTSH