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17 Dec 2015
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Where does your security chain go?
Where do you guys carry your security chain when on a long trip? Too heavy to have in panniers presumably, from a weight balance point of view. So where does it go? Bag strapped to pillion seat?
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What gives you the idea it's too heavy to carry in a pannier? I put mine at the bottom of a pannier if I'm not expecting to use it anytime soon--low and toward the front, as befits anything dense and heavy. When I want it handy for immediate use I drape it over the rear of my seat, with other stuff piled on top if needed.
I've got several heavy duty chains, cables and locks, but my current default weighs in at about 10 kilos/22 lbs. One of the others is substantially heavier, and I carried it for at least two solid years of international riding. Of course, it's easy to make the case that the whole thing was unnecessary, but it gained me a lot of peace of mind in a lot of dodgy situations.
Hope that's helpful.
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Carrying a proper chain is a bit daft..
They're heavy, noisy and awkward.
However, a Cable lock is a good solution.
Something like this but perhaps a more heavy duty version.
Kryptonite Keeper Armoured Cable Lock| Leisure Lakes Bikes
If you're really stuck for space, something like this is better than nothing. It will stop the opportunist.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LONG-HEAVY...Ihdq5-lyCQ6feg
If someone really wants to steal your bike, they will..... Only a 16mm Almax will stop bolt croppers and you won't be carrying one of those.
I usually wrap mine under my rear luggage rack.
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I have carried a 16mm chain, but in a sidecar the weight can be useful.
Think about the risks:
Gangs who want to ship your bike to Russia can break anything, but they want new Harleys and Ducatis not your half million mile Cagiva Elefant.
Joy riding chav scum don't have the brains to break more than a Chinese disc lock, so your machined body one makes the next blokes bike a nicer target.
Light fingered lads in the souk in down town Dodgystan have no use for the bike, they want the tool kit and maybe the battery.
If some mafia warlord decides he really must have that Cagiva, face facts, helping him load it into the van will be your best bet.
I'd go with the best disc lock you can afford, one that can double as a padlock and maybe the cable Ted suggested. The disc lock stops them riding it, the cable slows down lifting or pushing.
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17 Dec 2015
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Interesting... range of views there (including typically amusing one from Andy) 
Instinct tells me that a security cable can be cut through in about 5 seconds, whereas a chain may take closer to a minute. That's a potential additional 55 seconds of my alarmed disc lock screaming at the thief as he's going at the chain with bolt cutters. Could that be the difference between him getting the bike or giving up?
I agree that lowlife chavs are easily defeated with basic security, and professional bike thieves probably can't be stopped with any security. But there's a middle ground of dodgy bloke spotting my bike parked outside the hotel, and coming back later that night with his mates, his van and a pair of bolt cutters... right?
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chain chain chain
I used a U-ring if I take something on ride ( tests are made each year by the "mutuelle des motards " and one registered lasts more than a minute - a very very long time for crooks  - but it is heavy, space consumer and so ) . mine had 22 years now 
The rest is a joke :lasts less than 15 seconds .
worde ; a disc stuff might be forgotten : seen it badaboum !! 
Anyway if a "pro" team wants your bike /car/whatever they will have it , anywhere , anyhow . 
the cable bla bla the panniers bla bla ; useless.
sof bags : you take them, secure your bike as much as possible ...different ways .
One solution might be to ask a local biker . Used it both in Scandinavia and Africa .
with regular ordinary bikes OF COURSE
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Quote:
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I'd go with the best disc lock you can afford, one that can double as a padlock and maybe the cable Ted suggested. The disc lock stops them riding it, the cable slows down lifting or pushing. Andy
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Same here ...
Disc lock only ... (W/ light, strong small cable to lock helmet and misc. to bike) No big heavy chains, no thick cables.
Setting up safe parking can buy some peace of mind. Thinking outside the box can help to ensure safety for the bike ... you might have to pay.
In Thailand I rarely even locked my rental bikes. But did bring them into guest house lobby when possible (almost always).
If a pro wants your bike it's hard to defend against latest Makita cordless Disc Grinders (Carbide wheel). Cuts through most chains in under a minute. 
Adios Moto!  Disc locks are actually harder to cut or break. (if good quality).
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I use a disc lock and a fairly solid (but quite light) bicycle chain that I also to 'secure' the bike (through the disc lock) to something immovable, as well as using it to lock my roll bag to the bike for times when I just go for a wander. These, coupled with a ratty bike cover, I'm sure puts off more opportunist thieves. In Europe, I try to use underground parking where possible.
I think the best thing is to make stealing the bike look as unappealing as possible, in whatever way you can. Parking it inside the hotel (outside Europe!), garage / car park, some form of security, cover (people don't really give it a second look), etc. As has already been said, if someone really wants it, there's not much you can do. Making it far less visible is the way forward.
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Slightly off topic (but then, it's my thread dammit!)
What bike covers do people use? All the ones I see online have reflective panels, which doesn't seem conducive to stealthy bike parking (especially stealth camping)... But on the other hand, probably is conducive to your bike not being accidentally run over in a parking lot!
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Wax cotton green thingy in the garage for my MZ on account of its classic status  ( 
Late 1980s nasty silver plastic Oxford for dodgy hotel car parks.
Scruffy/ non descript is all you are after. Anything that says beneath this cover lies a knackered POS that won't start if not kept dry. New covers with BMW logos that scream "came with my new bike because even the dealer felt guilty at what I paid" are not what you want. Reflective tape is OK if cracked and half hanging off.
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Slightly off topic (but then, it's my thread dammit!)
What bike covers do people use? All the ones I see online have reflective panels, which doesn't seem conducive to stealthy bike parking (especially stealth camping)... But on the other hand, probably is conducive to your bike not being accidentally run over in a parking lot! |
Greetings AB
I bought one of these from Aerostitch
Aerostich Ultralight Bike Covers :: Aerostich Motorcycle Jackets, Suits, Clothing, & Gear
They are phenomenally expensive but they cover my battlestar with all its luggage fitted.
They are made of a type of ripstop nylon so they pack down into a very small size compared to other covers that I've used/seen. The downside of being lightweight is that you have make sure that its tied securely to the bike or as I discovered after a windy night it had sailed away.
I've used it during the day at border crossings, lunch stops if I had to leave the bike out of sight for any length of time but I wait for 10 mins to let exhausts cool down before putting it on. A hot downpipe would instantly melt the material.
I don't know if it stops people having a rummage through the bike, but I slept better at night so as far I'm concerned it was useful.
Hope that helps
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I don't carry a cover very often, but when I do I use an Oxford Camo. Details of which you can see here: http://youtu.be/UOpvc9Pbkt4
It is fairly light, comes with its own bag, does the job and I like the camouflage.
Regarding security, I am never without my Abus Granit disc lock. But when paranoia gets the better of me I have also been known to carry a padlock and fabric covered chain. Almax are supposed to be one of the best out there, but too heavy probably.
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Somewhere I read where they imbedded and pet tracking chip on their bike.
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Tidy and comes in different lengths
ONGUARD 8000 SERIES MASTIFF 10MM CHAIN LOCK
Easy to pack or use to secure gear to bike, looks impressive! Heavy, but
not awkward fits nicely in bottom of pannier
Where does one use his chain - through a wheel, through 2 wheels around frame and wheel, or attached to immovable object ? Or ?
xfiltrate safe and secure parking
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