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The new Beemers are too complex
That is why I ride an airhead!
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My K1200RS is a very well screwed together piece of kit. I think they have shifted their focus onto mainstream bikes, and are trying to have some of that market for themselves. And why not?

The new K1300 has rave reviews too...
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ME TOO !

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No surprises there then...

The whole GS series (bar the airheads) are sold on marketing !

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Complexity is only one part of the issue. It you have that level of design you need top quality materials and a full development and test programme and support available. Use cheap materials and cut the test programme you get problems. If you have to use cheap materials you should use a design that'll stand it and give the support it needs (airhead).

Marketing is always about stressing the good bits (the design) and down playing the not so good stuff (consumer does the testing, gets told where to go when it fails due to cheap materials etc). IMHO the consumer needs to get used to modern marketing techniques and not still think at the "We make a good bike and put our badge on it" level.

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had my f800gs for 1 year and only managed 2000 miles, in that time its been back to the dealers 3 times for recalls, was going to ride to kazakhstan on it, not so sure now im loosing confidence in it
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No surprises there then...

The whole GS series (bar the airheads) are sold on marketing !

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And your Jap bikes aren't sold on marketng? Do Japanese companies make money and living out of thin air then? I'd say wake up and to the marketing world mate. If BMW makes marketing better than Japs in big trailies and tourers sector, doesn't mean much. Japs make lightyears better marketing in scooters, sportsbikes and cruisers for ages to sell crap loads of bikes into the market. It's called pure marketing, and IMHO in overall picture Japanese do better marketing than BMW ever did (hence the overall sales numbers).

The only non-marketing bikes (or close to it) are self hand-built bikes built speciefically for the owners themselves, not for other people. Anything involved in the factory production made for loads of people is a pure marketing nowadays. Period.
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Different OEM's have different strategies. Some are more dangerous than others. Claims of speed and fun are relative, style be it Italian curves or Harley chrome is subjective. BMW's claims of premium brand status and allusions to longevity and reliability can be disproven by a few (perhaps spurious) figures. Their lack of marketing skill at one level brings in a consumer but can then dash their hopes.

BTW, I don't think we should turn this into a BMW bashing thread.

So, what oil should I use.......

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I love my '02 dakar - My old-er bike could be likened to a mature Woman or red wine- gone are the smooth lines and all the bling, helloooo curves, trust, comfort, reliability and enjoyment ! or is it just me then? a few dents, scratches and wrinkles just shows 'lived-in' character

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BTW, I don't think we should turn this into a BMW bashing thread.


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