Recovering a drowned GSA1200 (2016 model)

[benok]

Hello fellow BMW riders,

I am planning a trip from Brisbane to Tasmania (Australia) and there are a few creek crossings for me along the way.

Thinking about the worst and should I happen to go down in a water crossing and believe that water has passed into the air intakes and/or exhaust, then how do I recover the bike before starting it?

I know I would have to remove the spark plugs somehow but is there anything else I should do? What about removing the exhaust? Or is water that accumulated in there going to be blown out?

Would most of you take a few litres of oil because if there is water in the oil then we would have to drain and replace the whole lot right?. How does one achieve this?

Also - not related to the above but on a long journey are you carrying tire irons and tubes with you or just a tire plug kit. Tubes and tire levers add a fair bit of weight and I would have to say that most people I've spoken to get away with just using a tire plug kit so chances of using it would be perhaps 2%.

Thank you in advance


Ben

[Lonerider]

I have tubed tyres anyway and I always carry tyre irons and tubes on trips, I even took them to use on my rental bike in Thailand. They are only light weight and fortunately I have not used them yet

Wayne

[benok]

G'day Lonerider

Thanks for your response.

Were you travelling on a GS1200? and if so what type of tubes did you carry with you?

Would you not recommend taking a patch of tube say 4 by 4 inches, glueing it to the area required from the inside to save weight?


Ben

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by benok

Hello fellow BMW riders,

I am planning a trip from Brisbane to Tasmania (Australia) and there are a few creek crossings for me along the way.

Thinking about the worst and should I happen to go down in a water crossing and believe that water has passed into the air intakes and/or exhaust, then how do I recover the bike before starting it?

I know I would have to remove the spark plugs somehow but is there anything else I should do? What about removing the exhaust? Or is water that accumulated in there going to be blown out?

Would most of you take a few litres of oil because if there is water in the oil then we would have to drain and replace the whole lot right?. How does one achieve this?

Also - not related to the above but on a long journey are you carrying tire irons and tubes with you or just a tire plug kit. Tubes and tire levers add a fair bit of weight and I would have to say that most people I've spoken to get away with just using a tire plug kit so chances of using it would be perhaps 2%.

Thank you in advance


Ben

Are you riding ALONE? Perhaps a buddy running tubes can carry tire irons. But I would ALWAYS carry tubes in case of side wall slice or big hole too big to plug.

The first thing to remember with a drowned bike is:
1. Shut off engine ASAP after you fall. A running engine will SUCK in water fast.
2. Get the bike UPRIGHT immediately. Once it's UP again you can rest and get help to get her across to dry land.

3. Once on dry land, pull plugs, lean bike over on each side, open air box, drain water out by laying on it's side. With help, stand bike UP on back wheel to allow exhaust pipes to drain.

If you do all this quickly, chances are good oil will be OK, and even if it turns baby poop brown, you can run it quite a distance without damage if not TOO diluted with water. But if it's badly diluted ... change it ASAP. NO ... I would not carry extra oil. Main thing is ... DON'T fall off into water!

This is all different if bike is totally submerged with engine running. NOT GOOD.
Also, if it's Salt water ... much more serious problems exist.

But ... if minor, then ...Once all water has been drained best you can (as described above), dry out air filters best you can if wet. Leave plugs out while drying.

Once dry and all water drained, with plugs OUT and filters OUT, crank engine over to expel any left over water. Hold throttle WIDE OPEN during this part. Run starter in 5 second intervals, waiting 30 sec. in between cranking.

Once all water is expelled, filters fairly dry, re-install plugs, blowing out plug connectors, re-install air filters and air box covers. Fire her up. After 5 minutes, check color of oil. It may be discolored ... baby poop brown ... if not too bad, ride on and change at first opportunity.

Pick your line carefully and watch buddies who go before you. Be aggressive, but no need to ride super fast, just be smooth and steady on power. Look way ahead of where you want to go ... and don't "Death Grip" the bars.
Never hesitate once you start.

[benok]

Mollydog,

Thanks very much for the reply. That was a really good response and I'll take that piece of advice with me on the ride.

Now I just have to figure out how to get the air filter out and spark plugs etc.

Would you not just carry a patch of tube to put over the torn side wall rather than putting a whole tube inside the tire? Maybe even a patch on top of another patch then the air inside the tire could hold it in place. What do you think of that?

Thanks for responding

[Lonerider]

Originally Posted by benok

G'day Lonerider

Thanks for your response.

Were you travelling on a GS1200? and if so what type of tubes did you carry with you?

Would you not recommend taking a patch of tube say 4 by 4 inches, glueing it to the area required from the inside to save weight?


Ben

Hi Ben

My bike is a XT600e and the hire bike was a CRF250L. I prefer to carry tubes for both front and rear, both heavy duty

Never even thought of that, but think I would still prefer tubes

Wayne

[Tim Cullis]

R1200GSA with tubeless TKC80s

After 250,000 miles on various BMWs with TKC80 tubeless tyres without a puncture I was bored one day and seeing as the back tyre needed changing I used an electric drill to puncture the tyre so I could test my skills with my virgin unused tubeless repair kit. At which stage I found it was a POS.

So if I'm riding a tubeless-equipped bike I now carry a 'Stop 'n Go' tyre plugger plus electric pump.

I never carried a spare tube or tyre levers/irons on a tubeless setup. My preference nowadays is for mousses—don't need to carry anything at all.

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by benok

Mollydog,

Thanks very much for the reply. That was a really good response and I'll take that piece of advice with me on the ride.

Now I just have to figure out how to get the air filter out and spark plugs etc.

Would you not just carry a patch of tube to put over the torn side wall rather than putting a whole tube inside the tire? Maybe even a patch on top of another patch then the air inside the tire could hold it in place. What do you think of that?

Thanks for responding

No way to effectively patch a sidewall ... especially on the side of the road. It will never hold. Even a big hole can be hard to put a plug in or patch.

A tire shop MIGHT be able to fix the tire ... but when traveling ... a tube in the tire is your best option. Its what we do. It works.

Be SURE to check and clean inside tire for sharp debris before installing your new tube. Often times bits of nail, screws or staples are hiding in the tire. You won't see it ... but can FEEL it with your hand. (Use caution)

I would go over your owners manual to learn how to remove plugs and air filter and such.

Go to owners forums to get other experiences on drowned out GS's and how the owners handle it. Many do the WRONG THING ... and RUIN their engine ...
HydroLoc is always a danger if engine fills up with water ... and then crank it over. (It will bend a rod ... RUINED!)

Guys also ride with too much water in the oil .... and never even know it ...
once again ... RUINED ENGINE.

If crossing really deep water, have friends standing by to help or let a more experienced rider take the bike across the water. I rode a friends R1200GS out of a very tough area in Mexico's Copper Canyon. He had fallen 5 times ... and finally was exhausted. He rode my Vstrom out ... which he found much easier.

Practice at home taking things apart, doing basic services: Oil and filter change, Air filter change, Spark Plug change. Practice also removing wheels from bike, learn where all the spacers and bits and pieces go.

[backofbeyond]

Originally Posted by mollydog

No way to effectively patch a sidewall ... especially on the side of the road. It will never hold. Even a big hole can be hard to put a plug in or patch.

... a tube in the tire is your best option. Its what we do. It works.

Be SURE to check and clean inside tire for sharp debris before installing your new tube. Often times bits of nail, screws or staples are hiding in the tire. You won't see it ... but can FEEL it with your hand. (Use caution)

Never had to do it myself - even in my wing, prayer and no money early biking days, but I have seen African bus drivers stitching rips in tyre sidewalls with a large "needle" (looked something like an awl) and string.

The idea was to hold the two sides together so the tube wouldn't bulge out of the gap when it was inflated. I've no idea how far you'd get like that but one bus was in the desert at least 50 miles from the nearest town so it had better have worked.

Agreed about checking the inside of the tyre for sharp bits. It doesn't take much to put (another) hole in the tube. It's best done with your bare fingertips - but very carefully. If there is something sticking out it'll rip your fingers as easily as the tube.

[benok]

Thanks mate.

[LD Hack]

Originally Posted by Tim Cullis

After 250,000 miles on various BMWs with TKC80 tubeless tyres without a puncture... So if I'm riding a tubeless-equipped bike I now carry a 'Stop 'n Go' tyre plugger plus electric pump.

I have several times over 250k miles on various motos, including BMW tubeless. I get flats all too often and I'm good at fixing them on the side of the road. If you carry a SnG kit, do also carry the gold gummy worm style plugs plus a plug insertion tool. I found the SnG plugs did not seal on several occasions, and on the advice of a small moto shop here, made the switch to the gold gummy worm plugs. When you ream out the hole and then insert the plug, make a twist with your insertion tool to form a "knot" in the end of the plug to hold it in place inside the tire. Not bashing SnG or TC, but my experience with SnG is such that I won't depend on it.

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by LD Hack

I have several times over 250k miles on various motos, including BMW tubeless. I get flats all too often and I'm good at fixing them on the side of the road. If you carry a SnG kit, do also carry the gold gummy worm style plugs plus a plug insertion tool. I found the SnG plugs did not seal on several occasions, and on the advice of a small moto shop here, made the switch to the gold gummy worm plugs. When you ream out the hole and then insert the plug, make a twist with your insertion tool to form a "knot" in the end of the plug to hold it in place inside the tire. Not bashing SnG or TC, but my experience with SnG is such that I won't depend on it.

Plus One on negative experience with Stop & Go plugs. Maybe LD and I are doing something wrong? But I've tried to fix two moderate holes with the Stop & Go ... and both failed!

I've never had such issues using the sticky worm plugs ... done many repairs ... mostly for friends and even strangers. All good. I have the Stop & Go kit but will GIVE IT AWAY to the guy who buys my Tiger 1050! I can't use it.

There is some technique in installing the worm. Use LOTS of glue, double it up going in, twist and pull tool back out and this should UN-HOOK the worm from the insert tool, leaving worm securely in the hole.

If in doubt, practice doing this on an old tire off the bike. Bring
extra tubes of rubber cement. (not big ones as they'll get punctured and make a mess). Lots of small tubes best. (or a big jar maybe?)

[mollydog]

Originally Posted by backofbeyond

Never had to do it myself - even in my wing, prayer and no money early biking days, but I have seen African bus drivers stitching rips in tyre sidewalls with a large "needle" (looked something like an awl) and string.

The idea was to hold the two sides together so the tube wouldn't bulge out of the gap when it was inflated. I've no idea how far you'd get like that but one bus was in the desert at least 50 miles from the nearest town so it had better have worked.

Agreed about checking the inside of the tyre for sharp bits. It doesn't take much to put (another) hole in the tube. It's best done with your bare fingertips - but very carefully. If there is something sticking out it'll rip your fingers as easily as the tube.

I've seen the Mexicans patch in similar way with big side wall rips. They stitch and then VULCANIZE it, setting the whole mess on fire! Really toxic but damn if it doesn't work. I saw this on a truck tire. (expensive). A friend on a Baja ride had his side wall repaired in a similar way, I never saw it, just heard about it later. He made another 1000 miles of tough terrain. If the tube BULGES out, it's likely to get popped at some point. HD tubes stays in the tire better. Soft tube, not so much. The Mexican Llanteros are absolute wizards at this sort of improvisation ... but it's a dying art as nearly everything, everywhere there is now paved over (not good for riders!).

[chris]

Apologies, but can only contribute an educational video under the heading: How to recover a drowned Honda Transalp xl600v (1988 model)

https://youtu.be/6maYFQEnokk



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[Homers GSA]

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Good work getting it going.

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