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It looks the part ! so when are the big Japanese going to get on the new style of adventure bike ?
It took ( i think ) 3/4 years to make a t700 ( fantastic bike ) so dont hold out for a new 450 from them.
Honda have " updated " there cb500 x , but missed the boat !
Honda could have had it all to them selves with the 450 crf but got it wrong !
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While we eagerly wait for the bike to arrive at dealers and a testride will be possible - not everybody agrees that a 270 crank is the best…..

https://youtu.be/Qn9JrN1JERI?si=Qc_wTQ48paBoTu0U
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@snakeboy: Thanks for the link, fascinating watching. I hadn't realised the modern move back to twins was largely due to emission controls.

To summarise, Ryan agrees that the modern 270º is better for engine balance than the older British 360º machines or later Japanese 180º, but the reality is that the optimum is actually 284.5º, as envisaged sixty years ago by Phil Irving.

Most manufacturers don't implement this due to the expense of a twisting stage after forging the crankshaft, so go with 270º. Ryan reckons the only manufacturer to build 285º is KTM.
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Low seat; TL tyres; 500km range; same weight at a new 450 Him: looks like a contender to me. My speculative PoV of the 450MT here.
I had been eagerly looking forward to the 490 parallel twin that KTM said it was building, so was disappointed to hear it was cancelled. CFMoto has a long-standing relationship with KTM and I'm interested to note Chris's comment in his link above that the CFMoto 450 might effectively be the KTM 490 in different colours.

Which is great because I am really fed up with orange. #anycolourotherthanorangeplease
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'Fortnine is Wrong'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0PBlc1b0vo

Not actually watched it yet, but would probably not understand the finer points, anyway.
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Not actually watched it yet, but would probably not understand the finer points, anyway.
Ha-ha quite eloborating that video…
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270 vs 285 degree cranks? Really? It's tomate-o / tomato for all practical purposes. Ride the bikes down an average British potholed road and you'll hard put to tell there's any sort of crankshaft in there.
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While we eagerly wait for the bike to arrive at dealers and a testride will be possible - not everybody agrees that a 270 crank is the best…..



https://youtu.be/Qn9JrN1JERI?si=Qc_wTQ48paBoTu0U
CF moto is based on cancelled KTM 490 platform with 285deg crank. As for 270 vs 285, here's an alternative view:
https://youtu.be/w0PBlc1b0vo
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CF moto is based on cancelled KTM 490 platform with 285deg crank. As for 270 vs 285, here's an alternative view:
https://youtu.be/w0PBlc1b0vo
Chris Scott posted that link above 3 days ago…
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Apparently Ibex 450 is coming to the states this fall, with an introductory price of $6499:
https://youtu.be/Pg1zxFRZS68


https://www.cyclenews.com/2024/02/ar...ecs-and-price/

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Should have a demo 450 by April . Pretty much all the staff want a ride of it Inc me . But apparently I'll be fighting Chris Scott for the keys . First bike for a while that has got people seriously interested.............if its as well equipped as the 800 then it's going to fly out the showroom .
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First bike for a while that has got people seriously interested............
Yes, that'll be me. I'll be keeping a careful eye on this one. Mind you a few other similar offerings in the past have proved to have feet of clay when they actually get into clay (CCM GP450 anyone, or some of the previous Chinese ADV 250's whose names now escape me), so paper specs and publicity pics are only a starting point. It does look interesting though in a way that the Himmy never did (for me anyway).
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Cf moto do some very interesting bikes . I really like the 800 but the leg room is a bit tight for me tbh and the free pannier kit could have a little more capacity tbh .
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Cf moto do some very interesting bikes . I really like the 800 but the leg room is a bit tight for me tbh and the free pannier kit could have a little more capacity tbh .
https://redlinemc.co.uk/cfmoto-800mt-explore-2023/

At nearly £12K, 19” front wheel and lower specs than an African Twin at just £1.3K more, I know where my money would be if I was in the market.
I suspect a very nice, low mileage AT could be had for £11,990.

The 450 will be in a sector on it’s own so fingers crossed
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