Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Trip Paperwork

Trip Paperwork Covers all documentation, carnets, customs and country requirements, how to deal with insurance etc.
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 24 Apr 2006
ozhanu's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 797
Returning the Carne de Passage

Hi All,

Unfortunately due to some problems I couldn't go to Middle East. I went to Turkey pass the Bosporus and the bike broke down after 150km I pass it. Even so I take a step to Middle East and I'll complete in the future.
The main reason was I've lost a lot of time (3 weeks) and money (about 1000 Pounds) for fixing the bike and I am now out of time and planned budged. I am Greece now and my broke again. I am thinking of selling it here in Greece to a garage.

My question is:
1- I did not use the Carne. Every single page is present. Even so, does my bike needs to be examined by a police and does the CdP signed by a police?

2- What sort of documents do I have to get if I sell the bike here in Greece? (Greece is a member of EU)

3- I have UK number plate and V5 documents. What shell I do with them when I sell the bike?

4- Need an urgend advise..

Thanks a lot
ozhan u.
former f650st owner
ozhan u.
website under construction
Reply With Quote
Old 25 Apr 2006
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Almeria, Andalucia
Posts: 185
Ozhan -

I can't help with any of yr questions, I'm afraid, but I wanted to commiserate with you -- I followed yr preparations via the HUBB and I know how much the trip means to you.

Hope everything works out.

---I'm back. Now what?---
Reply With Quote
Old 25 Apr 2006
Stephano's Avatar
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 897
My commiserations too, Ozhan. I was looking forward to meeting both of you.

Can't you call the issuing agent for the carnet (automobile club?) and get their advice on cashing in the carnet?

I got my money back on my carnet issued in the UAE even though the bike has never returned because all my stamps - in & out - (Iran & Turkey) were complete. They should be able to advise you.
Reply With Quote
Old 25 Apr 2006
Grant Johnson's Avatar
HU Founder
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posts: 4,578
If you are in a country where you did not use the carnet to enter, (and this applies whether the carnet is unused or well used) it's a simple matter of just sending it back. You've lost the processing fees though, that's an up front cost and not refundable to my knowledge, though you're free to try.
Grant Johnson

Seek, and ye shall find.


Inspiring, Informing and Connecting travellers since 1997!
Reply With Quote
Old 26 Apr 2006
ozhanu's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 797
Thank you very much all.

Although Greek people were very helpful and lovely people, I brought the bike back to Turkey with a rescue truck. At least I can speak the language here

I am looking forward to have a F800GS to complete this trip sometime in the future.

I have called RAC (Paul Goven) and wrote him a dozen of e-mail. However, he is on a vacation and there is no one to help me.

My only concern is does the "Certificate of Location" page (the last page of the carne) needs to be signed by a police or custom officer in England even if I didn't use the carne?

Thanks for you best wishes and your precious advices.

ozhan u.
miserable biker in the middle east
ozhan u.
website under construction
Reply With Quote
Old 26 Apr 2006
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: sheffield,Yorkshire,UK
Posts: 18
Ozhanu, Paul at the RAC is kept very busy , he is apparently the only person in the country handling carnets.

when we sent ours back in (early this month) we didn't bother with the 'sign by police' bit since all the in & out stamps were completed. since you haven't used yours at all I can see no problem. just send it back and you should get your money returned.

The only time when there is a real need to have the certificate of location bit is if the bike was marked as in a country ( where you had an entry stamp from country X in the carnet but no exit stamp ). You then need to prove that the bike was exported ( hence the police examination ) so that there is no claim from country X against the carnet.
Since you have no entry stamp at all there is no need to prove that the bike was exported , since on paper it clearly was never imported anywhere

I would return the Carnet and wait for my money.

The older I get, the better I was...
Reply With Quote
Old 26 Apr 2006
ozhanu's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 797
Hi again

I've got a fast responce from RAC. It looks like we have another hero there who deals with CdP when Paul is not there.

As you all stated it is possible to get the deposit when the carne is not stamped.

ozhan u.

Here is the e-mail:

Dear Dr Unverdi,

Sorry to hear of the difficulties you have encountered.

Firstly, please can you confirm where the vehicle is now - your emails to Paul Gowen state it's in Greece but you now say Turkey.

With regards the Carnet document. Was the Carnet stamped by Turkish Customs when you entered the country ? If so, then the Certificate of Location will definitely need to be stamped by them if the vehicle is staying in that country. If not, then no stamps are required in the Carnet and it can be returned to us.

However, and you may already have this in hand, if you are going to dispose of (eg, sell or scrap) the vehicle in Turkey then you have to declare your intentions to the Turkish Customs - there may well be tax/duites to be paid.


John Lansdown
RAC Carnets
ozhan u.
website under construction
Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
need carnet the passage to travel between S-Africa-Namibia-B Nanja and Jelle Trip Paperwork 2 26 Oct 2007 17:08
carnet de passage mig Trip Paperwork 0 21 May 2004 23:51
Carnet de Passage. How to get? kvv Trip Paperwork 2 23 Aug 2003 20:47
Tax on UK motorbike returning under carnet? JNTaylor Trip Paperwork 5 11 Aug 2003 14:16
returning morocco from gambia and carnet info markyneggy Sahara Travel Forum 4 29 Mar 2002 21:23


NEW! HU 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar is now available! Get your copy now for some terrific travel inspiration!

HUGE, 11.5 x 16.5 inches, beautifully printed in Germany on top quality stock! Photos are the winning images from over 600 entries in the 9th Annual HU Photo Contest!

Horizons Unlimited 2015 Motorcycle Adventure Travel Calendar.

"The calendar is magnificent!"

"I just wanted to say how much I'm loving the new, larger calendar!"

We share the profit with the winning photographers. YOU could be in the HU Calendar too - enter here!

HU DVD Autumn Special!

Take 40% off Road Heroes Part 1 until October 31 only!

Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries two-up on a Harley); Dr. Greg Frazier (5 times RTW); Tiffany Coates (RTW solo female); and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).

The first in an exciting new series, Road Heroes features tales of adventure, joy and sheer terror by veteran travellers."Inspiring and hilarious!"

"I loved watching this DVD!"

"Lots of amazing stories and even more amazing photographs, it's great fun and very inspirational."

"Wonderful entertainment!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'HEROES' on your order when you checkout.

Renedian Adventures

Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!

What turns you on to motorcycle travel?

Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.

Books & DVDs


All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.

Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 13:30.