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Where on the face of this planet do some posters live, work and play where there are not farm animals all over the roadways??? Most recently it's been reindeer, cows and sheep (the reindeer are most troublesome, because they travel in herds, are easily spooked, and tend to come in colors closely matched to rocks and polar mists), but elsewhere it's been goats and chickens, or dogs and cats. Or children and grandmothers.

I just had to get that out of my system.

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Come to Oz and ride at dusk or dawn and you'll find some BIG hoppers that just LOVE to jump in front of cars, trucks, bikes and any other form of transport. A real eye opener.
Even so, it is Driver beware down here, when a 300 pound Roo jumps in your way, good luck. Oh, and they HOP along at around 45mph.
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Old thread maybe, but I just watched David Baddiel and Hugh Dennis on TV driving through Ethiopia. The person who hired them a 4x4 in Addis Ababa said if they hit a goat and kill it the price (of the goat) goes up, it will cost them £50-60, but they can eat it. Later on, talking to some lorry drivers they came across at the side of the road, one driver said the only accidents he's had were sheep which cost him 600 birr (£24).

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I can only say - if I depended on livestock for MY livelihood, I wouldn't bl00dy well want it wandering around at risk of getting hit - I'd want it safely tied up!!
Oh I dunno, if you got $250 for each cow hit by a passing tourist I think you'd want them all to wander about as much as possible
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Oh I dunno, if you got $250 for each cow hit by a passing tourist I think you'd want them all to wander about as much as possible
Eeere! With a name like Sennen I suspect you be a Cornishman just like oi be!! 'Ow ee doin of?

Slightly OT as it's involving a train and not a car, but here's what another well-known Cornishman suggested as a 'waste-not-want-not' option if you've ended up causing roadkill - BBC News - Aboard the Victoria Falls Express

Or this one - also from a Cornishman I am afraid - BBC NEWS | UK | England | Cornwall | Roadkill fan penning recipe book
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With respect , it doesn't really matter whether you understand it or not .
What this thread is all about is First World perceptions and Third World realities .
Animals have to wander and graze over sparse vegetation and cannot be tied up , it's been that way for many thousands of years . Low incomes do not allow for expensive fencing either and land owning traditions are not the same as western europe or north america and probably don't permit fencing .
It's already been stated that roads are viewed in a completely different light in traditional areas and are not merely a means to travel .

The cattle aren't the problem - WE ARE as we travel at speed through somebody else's country .
The only answer is to slow down so that the animals are aware of you and can judge your speed , 99% of the time they will try to avoid you .

Cattle can be a huge investment for a small farmer in a third world country and to lose one is a tragedy not only because of the immediate loss but also because of the difficulty of replacement or the length of time for a replacement to grow from a calf . If the animal killed in the accident were incalf [pregnant],then the loss is even more serious .
+1, not only very interesting, but a very realistic and respectful approach.

In anthropology that's called "ethnocentrism": judging another culture solely by the values and standards of one's own culture. It's an interesting thing, because we all suffer it at some extent and it requires great consciousness and abstraction to be able to get rid of it (and time). For a French, eating dogs will be immoral ("dogs are cute, men's best friend") and spiders disgusting, but eating horses and "scargots" (=snails) is acceptable for them; for us Spaniards eating horses looks horrible while killing bulls (and others) has been more than acceptable and tasting snails a delight.

So killing cows in Ethiopia may be solely your fault, since bicycles and pedestrians cannot drive them over and you are the strange actor on the road (a possible explanation, I don't know at all).

Whether it is expensive or not or how much one would pay (or not), it's only possible to say it once you are there. Today with the sheppherd alone 100USD may be ok, but with a big group around getting nervous 250USD may be the minimum to keep things calm, who knows. If things go right and you are socially skillful enough (time to smile a lot!), you may still invite everyone to a great BBQ and party that night, have a great time and turn a horrible event into an unforgettable (although still expensive) memory of your trip in Africa. You may even change your vynil seat cover for a genuine leather one or get a new "horn" for your bike!

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Eeere! With a name like Sennen I suspect you be a Cornishman just like oi be!! 'Ow ee doin of?
ooo arrr, there be wonce a toime when Oi could ever be found at Sennen Cove nursing an oice cream...even in winturrr

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Slightly OT as it's involving a train and not a car, but here's what another well-known Cornishman suggested as a 'waste-not-want-not' option if you've ended up causing roadkill - BBC News - Aboard the Victoria Falls Express

Or this one - also from a Cornishman I am afraid - BBC NEWS | UK | England | Cornwall | Roadkill fan penning recipe book
Beats trying to find a supermarket...
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My cousin who lives in Pakistan hit a milking cow while travelling from Lahore to Islamabad. The villagers gathered, tried to hit him with batons, blocked the traffic and demanded compensation. A milking cow is like a Manhattan asset in Pakistan.
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[...] you may still invite everyone to a great BBQ and party that night, have a great time and turn a horrible event into an unforgettable (although still expensive) memory of your trip in Africa. [...]
This is always the way you should try to handle such a situation! Make the best out of it.

I dont mean that you had to pay every bill - but to think in a "i have my rights" way - when the mob gets angry - is not a good idea too...

Try to resolve something like this - bevore many people join the discussion. In the first minutes you may be able to direct the next hours a lot.
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I would imagine in most developing countries, if you hit free-range livestock with your vehicle you're liable for the value. To many subsistence farmers, the cost of a steer or cow might be equivalent to several months' wages.
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