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Old 12 Jul 2012
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PORKANDCORN: Buenos Aires to Bogota, 2013

in mid-january, 2013, i'll be flying myself and my 2012 triumph tiger 800xc into buenos aires to start a trip i've been dreaming about for a long time. my current plan is to ride from buenos aires, argentina to florianopolis, brazil to visit some old friends, then back-track down to the end of the world - ushuaia, argentina, and then make my way up the south american west coast to bogota, columbia where i'll fly myself and the dirty bike back to portland. i've not yet hammered out many of the waypoints. rather, i'm wanting to collect suggestions from other riders, and in general, go where the bike takes me.

i could use suggestions for places and motorcycling roads not to miss, great spots to stay or restaurants to eat at, people to meet along the way, and more.

i'll take whoever is interested along on the journey, and share as much as i can good and bad, as well as devoting myself to posting great photos and videos along the way. viva la moto!

cheers,

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For Peru, you have all the wrong information:

(1) Nazca is mostly hype. Yes it's an amazing concept... and WHY they did it does boggle the mind but you will leave feeling: "Is that all there is?" The town? A bit of a let-down there too. The only real reason to go to Nazca is to say you've been there.
(2) Huancachina? Okay, after you've been traveling days on end down the boring desert which the Panam follows, Huancachina is a bit of novelty... but it will cost you an arm and a leg to stay there..
(3) Cuzco and Machu Picchu... DEFINITELY go there. I think the best time to go there is Jan-Feb because everything is so green and there are less tourists, but NOT the time to try to get there by motorcycle! The ride from Nazca over the Puquillo pass will kill you that time of year! In fact, stay out of the central Andes (Peru Bolivia) Dec to March unless you are willing to travel VERY short distances each day, and not travel some days. Freezing rain and hail at 15,000 ft is not something to mess with! (Been there, done that...IN Peru for many years).

Because of the time you are starting, start in the south and travel north. Forget the Panamericana and go up thru the center of Bolivia and Peru. From Cuzco keep going up the center. Later April, May, June the weather will be great! 70 degrees and sunny every day (until about 3 pm when the wind picks up and it starts getting colder). Go Cuzco-Andahuaylas-Ayacucho-Huancayo-Huanuco-Huaraz-Canyon del Pato, Huamachuco, Cajamarca-Chachapoyas (Gocta waterfalls and Fortress of Kuelap which rivals Machu Picchu)-Jaen and north into Ecuador to Banos-Cuenca-Quito.

50% of that is gravel and you will only see other vehicles every 20 min. the views are to die for and the room and board cheap and the people friendly. You will get NONE of that (but you will get dangerous traffic and corrupt cops) if you stick to the !@#$%^&* PANAM!



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Ushuaia (although I've heard it's a pretty boring ride?? and not really worth the long trip?? unless you just HAVE to do the Ushuaia thing??)
*Argentina (route 40, 68, 9, Patagonia near Bariloche, Valle de la Luna)
January or February would be the best season.
Valle de la Luna, winter, if not, you are going to boil lol
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Thanks! Keep the suggestions coming!

This is exactly what I need. And, Toby, you'll be happy to know that I'm trading out the V-strom 1000 for a BMW F800GS, to have a lighter setup, give me better off-road footing, and generally make my life easier.
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There you go! Now put some knarley shoes on the girl and get some off-road experience before you head off! It will double your fun on this trip!

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I did south america November and December last year, starting Buenos Aires, down to south Chile, all the way up through Chile, into Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador and finishing in Bogota Columbia. It was all fantastic and I can give you more detail if you you need, but.....
I have one key piece of advise - unless you are a very experienced off roader and have the right bike, DO NOT enter Bolivia via San Pedro De Aticama to Uyuni. It is beyond doubt the hardest riding I have ever done; mostly on sand with impossible navigation. hardest thing I've ever done, not helped by altitude sickness. My BMW 1200 GSA, which was faultless on the rest of the trip, was just too heavy for the terrain (though I wasn't riding on nobblies!). It is spectacular place but very difficult. If you have plenty of experience on the loose stuff and are on something light (KTM 640 etc) with the right set up - then it could be amazing but if not.... be warned
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thanks brian, i'll put that in my notes for that section. i'll be on an 800cc bike, so a bit lighter, but i hate riding in sand. any other stretches that i should watch out for?
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(3) Cuzco and Machu Picchu... DEFINITELY go there. I think the best time to go there is Jan-Feb because everything is so green and there are less tourists, but NOT the time to try to get there by motorcycle! The ride from Nazca over the Puquillo pass will kill you that time of year! In fact, stay out of the central Andes (Peru Bolivia) Dec to March unless you are willing to travel VERY short distances each day, and not travel some days. Freezing rain and hail at 15,000 ft is not something to mess with! (Been there, done that...IN Peru for many years).

Because of the time you are starting, start in the south and travel north. Forget the Panamericana and go up thru the center of Bolivia and Peru. From Cuzco keep going up the center. Later April, May, June the weather will be great! 70 degrees and sunny every day (until about 3 pm when the wind picks up and it starts getting colder). Go Cuzco-Andahuaylas-Ayacucho-Huancayo-Huanuco-Huaraz-Canyon del Pato, Huamachuco, Cajamarca-Chachapoyas (Gocta waterfalls and Fortress of Kuelap which rivals Machu Picchu)-Jaen and north into Ecuador to Banos-Cuenca-Quito.
What he said, but a detour to Caral might be cool. I really enjoyed looking around there, and it is one of the fewplaces on Earth where Civilization started without outside influence.

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You will get NONE of that (but you will get dangerous traffic and corrupt cops) if you stick to the !@#$%^&* PANAM!
I didn't run into any corrupt cops in South America, but did hear stories from other riders. I kept going up and down, switching up my scenery. Costs off the PanAm were definitely lower.
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Just for counterpoint to #2: I liked Nazca and the surrounding area, and I liked the high altitude riding in December and January, including the very fun road from Nazca to Cuzco and many others. There were bits of hail plus one set of snow squalls, but for the most part things went just fine....and I'm not particularly rugged. I rode long days and never skipped a day due to weather. No electric grips or clothing, either.

Just another data point. Ride your own ride.

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Give me some places lists!!

thanks mark,

i think charapashanperu is trying to get me onto the road less travelled, but admittedly, he's from peru and i've never been there. so probably just about anything will be amazing for me, but it's great to compare the different perspectives.

keep the pointers coming everybody... would love to see some lists of places to definitely not miss by each country!
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South. You want to go south from where you are.
I say take the trip as it comes. Nothing stops the fun more than looking at your map and say "I need to be here in x days"
But take a look as some of this Top Eleven Mysterious Mysteries of the Pre-Columbian Americas That We Decided to Cram Into One Article....Page 54
6 Must See Ruins of South America
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what to expect ?

I'll start my trip in Valparaiso around October 15th. Initially heading North (as far North as Cuzco) to try to beat the arrival of the rainy season, and intending to be in Peru and Bolivia until late November. Could anyone tell me the sort of weather I can expect to find please ? I'll travel on dirt roads as much as possible. Thank you,
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Why not South to North? Rainy Seasons in South America?

hey DLbiten,

Why do you say go South? Or is that not what you meant? Due to the timeframe that I have available (January - May or June), I've been advised to start in the South during the height of Summer and head North into Autumn, effectively Argentina to Columbia.

And as Han Solo is inquiring about the rainy seasons in the North, I've heard conflicting reports from native South Americans about that too. Obviously, the mountain passes tend to have their own weather systems, but are there specific rainy seasons in specific countries that are fairly reliable?

Let me know your thoughts.
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type of motorcycle

Hello, I live in Argentina, and I went to Peru , Brasil, Chile and uruguay many times.... perhaps I could send you goog information...with what moto you will travel ?
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Si, Por Favor!

hey docrafita!

muchas gracias! i'll be on a triumph tiger 800xc, which i just got 3 hours ago! very excited to get her ready for the trip.

could you list specific cities or places that you went to in your travels that you would recommend i visit? especially place that are hard to find and away from the more touristy spots?

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