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Since Wikipedia doesn't accept people posting their own experiences I have decided to start this list myself. It doesn't appear on any HU menu yet, so head to this link: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tri...t-of-countries

This page will never be finished, because different people have different experiences at different borders plus the rules keep changing. Anybody who has first-hand knowledge of specific border crossings is invited to add it to the page. Let's try to keep this page clean and usable.

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A good effort !
It's difficult to find uptodate answers.

Maybe it will be easier, to read/understand but also to change things quickly, to make it a bit schematic (with tick-boxes or like a spreadsheet).

[inserted a raw illustration, hope it doesn't break to bad in your Browser]
Code:
                         |  CdP  |  L P  |   ?  |
-----------------------------------------------------
Country                  |   X   |       |      |
Country                  |       |   X   |      |
Country                  |   X   |       |      |
Country                  |       |       |   X  |

When it's build like the tables in a webpage and the X is an image or Icon it would also be possible to put extra info in a 'Tooltip' (the small yellowisch popup rectangle with some text, when you hover your mouse across an image). This info could be the date of adding or changing the info about a specific country.

Code:
                         |  CdP  |  L P  |   ?  |
-----------------------------------------------------
Country                  |     |       |       |
Country                  |       |     |       |
Country                  |     |       |       |
Country                  |       |       |     |
thanks! cheers!

BTW feel totally free to delete this reply if my bending the edges to make some sort of a illustration, breaks up the page in your browser.
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Sophie - good format but I see one one small problem with your example - your list of countries all have the same name.
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This will give you a good understanding.
Its a .pps file that you can download and save:

http://www.unece.org/trans/main/eatl...y_March_04.ppt

The carnet is administered by the FIA and AIT.
The AIT web site gives a list of countries that require a carnet:
(the list includes countries that YOU may not need a carnet for, but others will. UK vehicles do not need a CDP for Denmark, for example, but someone from Japan may.
Its a list of countries that are signed up to the agreement

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Thanks for your contributions. Sophie: what do you want in the LP column? I don't know HTML, so I can't do tooltips, although I think it's an excellent idea. I'm not sure how much of the HTML code we are allowed to use on HU.

The AIT file is exactly the reason why we need this page: the info is almost completely irrelevant. It doesn't actually tell you where your bike needs a carnet or doesn't. Dto. for a similar page available from the ADAC, which at a glance seems about 50% correct. You might as well throw dice.

So, I think anybody who has crossed a border and has first-hand info not in our page should go ahead and edit it. I don't think we should put in here "I managed to get through by paying bakhsheesh" and similar adventures.

If customs demand the CdP and don't want to let you in on your bike or in your car then the country should be on our list.

If there is another official way of entering (like in Oz, for example) then we need to know that, too.

Countries that don't ask for a carnet shouldn't be in here.

Remember: anybody can edit this page.

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Don't think its that simple....
Way too many variables, Beddhist.
E.G: I rode 21 Central and South Am countries, most of whom "say" they need one and never once was asked (I didn't have one).

East Timor has no policy, some border guys there think u need one cos they've seen ne before.... but u don't.

Indoensia has a country 2 country system separate to the carnet.... but have to be bribed cos thye know a carnet system exists...

etc..etc...etc...

H8 to be a wet blanket but borders in the 3rd world are fluid
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Thanks for the info on Timor Leste, I was wondering about that one. It's not a problem anyway, since you need one for Indo, so they can stamp it if they want.

> 21 Central and South Am countries, most of whom "say" they need one

Who is "they" and where do the say that? The Carnet Info page here on HU states you don't need one anywhere in America and people's experiences seem to corroborate that. It's these experiences that we need to collect and publish. We need this info, otherwise how can we decide whether or not to get a carnet? 'Cause if you don't have one and you can't get in you could potentially have a big problem.

The system that you mention with Indo exists in other places as well. Neighbouring countries often do away with carnet or bond requirements. Thais don't need one (nor can they get one anyway) to visit Malaysia, Indo has these agreements, etc. We don't care about these local requirements/arrangements here, because people living in these countries will be aware of them. We are only concerned with travellers.

So, lets keep the ideas and info coming.

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Thanks for your contributions. Sophie: what do you want in the LP column? I don't know HTML, so I can't do tooltips, although I think it's an excellent idea. I'm not sure how much of the HTML code we are allowed to use on HU..
LP suggested LaissezPasser (though maybe this is named different on the other side of the globe), the -!- suggests extra info (like: CdP only required for cars or Only vehicle older than five years need a CdP) and the -?- suggested, not known at this moment.

Code:
                          |  CdP  |  L P  |   ?   |
-----------------------------------------------------
Country X                 |     |       |       |
Country Y                 |       |     |       |
Country Z                 |     |       |       |
Country A                 |       |       |     |
Country B                 |     |       |       |
Country C                 |     |       |       |
BTW besides the quest for knowing where a CdP is required, knowing where to get this document is just as challanging (even here on the HUBB).
For instance, I'm from the Netherlands, the ANWB (dutch AA) used to provide the CdP but stopped this service in 2005, since then they direct us to the ADAC (germany) this is also stated on the carnet pages here on the HUBB ,but on the same page is stated the ADAC will no longer provide this service to foreigners who don't live in Germany. The ADAC website however, even has the webpages concerning the CdP translated in English and Français [which info is old / uptodate / true]. There are alot of threads about this subject.

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