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Question Overland Yorkshire To Mongolia..On A Quad

Hi Guys,

The name is Scarecrow57 (aka Carole) from the name you should take it that I am female, I am 51 years old (going on 15!!!)......I am a slightly eccentric divorced ex farmer, currently living in North Yorkshire..........Oh my God, from my introduction this is beginning to sound like I am looking for a partner................ no, this is not correct at all, but I do need your help guys

Why do I need your help, well, for the last 2 months I have been planning an overland roadtrip to Mongolia and China in aid of three charities (Cancer Research, Womens Rural Refuge Retreat, and the brain injury charity Headway Teesside)......in the last 2 months I have raised over £3000 cash towards the trip but I would much prefer to donate these cash monies direct to the three charities and as a challenge get all the equipment required for the roadtrip donated.............and this is where you may be able to help.........'cause I have decided that I what I would like to do is this 365 day roadtrip on a quad bike.........yes, you did read that correctly........a quad bike!!!.......(I warned you I was 51 going on 15!!!)

So basically guys I am in desperate need of your help and your sound advice..........

I need a route? ( I am thinking France, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Belurus, Ukraine, bottom end of Russia, Kazahstan, back into Russia then into Mongolia via the North.......)

What route did you take when you did it?

A few details of the trip so far.............all equipment is being donated or sponsored..............in each region/country I will be donating a weeks volunteering work to a like minded charity to those that we are supporting back here in the UK............the aim is to raise at least £33000 ( but I am sure we would not complain if it was in excess of that figure!!!)........

I am in the process of setting up a website for all those that are or will be involved to keep a track of the trip...........(as I have published before it makes common sense to obviously write a book of the whole adventure upon my return)...................the set off date is mid November 2009..............and it goes without saying that I would be honoured to do any promotion/press work for any company that is involved en route.

So guys can you please help in some way?......... all advice, donations, sponsorship, etc would make this roadtrip for all those involved something to be really proud of...........

Warmest regards

Carole Howard
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Let me be the first to wish you the best of luck.
I live just down the road near beverly. so if I can help with anything give me a shout.
Wish I was in a possition to do somthing similar.
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Hi, I am not too sure of my geography north of Watford I dont know if Dent is near to you but try and get to the 'wildcamp' meet that 'dazzerrtw' is organising, there will be a good few helpful people there.
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Let me be the first to wish you the best of luck.
I live just down the road near beverly. so if I can help with anything give me a shout.
Wish I was in a possition to do somthing similar.
Good on ya.

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Yes I could do with a wee bit of help.........are you any good at planning a route?

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As soon as you've got a rough route double check the legality/special requirements of temporarily importing and running a quad on the roads in those countries. Can't see any problems but worth checking first.
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When I was planning the now aborted buggy trip to China, I found out a bit about driving quands on the roads. All across the European Community it was no problem if your quad was road legal and registered in the country of origin. Quads are classed as "Heavy Quadricycles" under EC law and as long as they fit within the legal definitions, one of which is no more than 20hp output, you can ride them.

When you leave Europe it all gets a bit hazy. A lot of the former Soviet states are now hoping to enter the EU and so have begun harmonizing their laws in readiness, so the regulations might be changing as we speak. Russia seems to allow quads and Mongolia seems to allow anything, but finding out is almost impossible.

The next question is insurance, have you checked to see if any insurer will cover you? I found it really difficult to find an insurer that would let me spend more than a few weeks out of my country of registration, but if you search here for "Quads Across Africa" they might be able to tell you more.

Do you have any ideas of the make of Quad you're after? As a lot of your route will probably be on the road it make sense to get one with a differential to avoid excessive tyre wear. I only know of the Polaris range that have a locking diff, they call it turf mode. I did get in contact with them and they do seem interested (or did before the crash hit), in supporting users in adventures, I rang them direct in the US and spoke to the marketing director and she put me in touch with local marketing. That said the downside to a US marque is US fuel consumption (they drink petrol). There are diesels around, but they tend to be slow, but if you're giving yourself a year that's probably not an issue.

And finally (I left the worst till last) China. A quick search on here will reveal the nightmare that is China. First there's the whole registration thing, then the expense of a guide, and as you're considering a quad your guide will need their own transport, pillion is almost certainly out. I got a quote of $6000 and that was for a direct dash from the Mongolian border to Beijing, I think it was six days!!

But having thrown a bag of spanners in the works I'll say good luck, I'm sure it's all possible, and please feel free to get in touch and I'll copy/send you all the stuff I researched.

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When I was planning the now aborted buggy trip to China, I found out a bit about driving quands on the roads. All across the European Community it was no problem if your quad was road legal and registered in the country of origin. Quads are classed as "Heavy Quadricycles" under EC law and as long as they fit within the legal definitions, one of which is no more than 20hp output, you can ride them.

When you leave Europe it all gets a bit hazy. A lot of the former Soviet states are now hoping to enter the EU and so have begun harmonizing their laws in readiness, so the regulations might be changing as we speak. Russia seems to allow quads and Mongolia seems to allow anything, but finding out is almost impossible.

The next question is insurance, have you checked to see if any insurer will cover you? I found it really difficult to find an insurer that would let me spend more than a few weeks out of my country of registration, but if you search here for "Quads Across Africa" they might be able to tell you more.

Do you have any ideas of the make of Quad you're after? As a lot of your route will probably be on the road it make sense to get one with a differential to avoid excessive tyre wear. I only know of the Polaris range that have a locking diff, they call it turf mode. I did get in contact with them and they do seem interested (or did before the crash hit), in supporting users in adventures, I rang them direct in the US and spoke to the marketing director and she put me in touch with local marketing. That said the downside to a US marque is US fuel consumption (they drink petrol). There are diesels around, but they tend to be slow, but if you're giving yourself a year that's probably not an issue.

And finally (I left the worst till last) China. A quick search on here will reveal the nightmare that is China. First there's the whole registration thing, then the expense of a guide, and as you're considering a quad your guide will need their own transport, pillion is almost certainly out. I got a quote of $6000 and that was for a direct dash from the Mongolian border to Beijing, I think it was six days!!

But having thrown a bag of spanners in the works I'll say good luck, I'm sure it's all possible, and please feel free to get in touch and I'll copy/send you all the stuff I researched.

Alex (a bit jealous)
Hi Alex,

Sorry for the delay in my reply, but my coal-fired computer has been having a relationship with a 'Trojan' and they seem to have been 'mating' so much so that now their ofspring will not even let me start the bl**dy thing..........so I am on a borrowed laptop.....and I am going to let my old computer rest in peace and let it muliply the bl**dy Trojans in peace!!!

Anyway to more inportant things.......You are right about insurance. I am finding it impossible to find anyone who will insure me, but I am still working on it..........another problem is banking....my bank will not let stay out of the country for longer than 3 months otherwise they will close my account down.........evedentally it is something to do with fraud law......it is bl**dy ridiculous......I told them that I would inform them on a weekly basis as to where I am, but I am getting nowhere with them at all.........................any ideas??? surely all you guys that travel do not have the same problem............if you do how have you overcome this???

....as to which quad I am using..well, there are 3 that I am looking at, an Outlander 650 Max, a CCM LX600 and a Quadzilla 700 RS7....your opinion would be appreciated....

Please tell me more on the problems of China........

Did you have a route worked out?

What time of the year were you planning to go?

.and do I need a Carnet.....???

All your help and advice is greatly appreciated..............Thank you or Merci as I believe you are French....???

Warmest regards

Carole

Ps why have you abandoned your trip?
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about your bank, i travel allover the world with work and initially had a similar problem, i went ballistic and moved all my accounts to the halifax told them the exact nature of my job and travel and bingo never had a problem since(they do charge for withdrawls oversea though) dont be shy it is your money not theirs,
ive offered my help to a few others on here regarding kazakhstan as i worked out there and am married to a kazak so if you need any help on that bit let me know ( my wifes friend is deputy editor of one of the news papers there so many be that could help)

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Hi Carole, I'll go through each bit at a time.

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Anyway to more inportant things.......You are right about insurance. I am finding it impossible to find anyone who will insure me, but I am still working on it..........another problem is banking....my bank will not let stay out of the country for longer than 3 months otherwise they will close my account down.........evedentally it is something to do with fraud law......it is bl**dy ridiculous......I told them that I would inform them on a weekly basis as to where I am, but I am getting nowhere with them at all.........................any ideas??? surely all you guys that travel do not have the same problem............if you do how have you overcome this???[/COLOR]
I'm sure that insurance will be OK. In the end I got my insurer Credit Agricole (so not much use to you) to issue a European Insurance Document which would cover everywhere within the EU. Now it would also cover Russia. As for beyond, well a look around on here usually reveals that you can buy insurance at the border. While they might scratch their heads a bit, maybe the paying of a small additional "fee", might help.

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....as to which quad I am using..well, there are 3 that I am looking at, an Outlander 650 Max, a CCM LX600 and a Quadzilla 700 RS7....your opinion would be appreciated....
I can't say I'm an expert in quads, we were looking at off-road buggies and side-by-side vehicles, but I picked up a bit of an idea hanging round too many fora. The HUGE problem with quads is their truly appalling fuel consumption, some of them will only average 10-15 mpg. If you think you might be doing 12,000 - 15,000 miles that's more than 1000 gallons of fuel. In places petrol stations are few and far between, so you'll have to carry plenty of spare, which will eat into your luggage space, add loads of weight to pull out if you get stuck, and no doubt lead to more potential breakages.

There are a few diesels though and although they're possibly a bit slower, it's all about taking in the sights, isn't it? Roush do a converted Cam-Am, which might be interesting, but probably expensive. Arctic Cat do their Super Duty Diesel, both of which are FAR more economical than petrol and both are good brands. Sadly neither has a lockable rear-differential, so your tyre wear will go up, and of course you'll have tail out fun on wet roundabouts. Still they're both well-known brands so spares (including tyres) should be easier to find.

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This forum is littered with threads detailing the Chinese problem. Basically, you can't drive in their country without Chinese registration and a guide, and that's VERY expensive.

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Actually we had several, they were all devised to avoid Ewan & Charley. I favoured going via Scandinavia, ferry from the UK to Norway then up across the top of Sweden, Finland and into Russia stopping at St. Petersburg, Moscow and then across, down to the Altai and into Mongolia that way. I just thought many people take a more southerly route, and I love Scandinavia.

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What time of the year were you planning to go?
The most important bit seemed to be what time of year do you want to be in Mongolia? People have driven the "Trans-Siberian Highway" in winter and said it's OK, but Mongolia in -40° conditions, no thanks. So the idea was to get there around June/July and get out and down to China by September/October

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Of course, and that will add even more to your fun.

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All your help and advice is greatly appreciated..............Thank you or Merci as I believe you are French....???
Merci à toi aussi (but really I'm an ex-pat Brit.

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Lack of money and time, and the thought of wrestling with the Chinese. Oh and being lured away by the allures of young ladies on motorbikes (well one anyway) and having my head turned towards Africa. I will do it one day though, but probably by bike or slightly ill-suited soft-roader.

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Hi Carole, I'll go through each bit at a time.



I'm sure that insurance will be OK. In the end I got my insurer Credit Agricole (so not much use to you) to issue a European Insurance Document which would cover everywhere within the EU. Now it would also cover Russia. As for beyond, well a look around on here usually reveals that you can buy insurance at the border. While they might scratch their heads a bit, maybe the paying of a small additional "fee", might help.



I can't say I'm an expert in quads, we were looking at off-road buggies and side-by-side vehicles, but I picked up a bit of an idea hanging round too many fora. The HUGE problem with quads is their truly appalling fuel consumption, some of them will only average 10-15 mpg. If you think you might be doing 12,000 - 15,000 miles that's more than 1000 gallons of fuel. In places petrol stations are few and far between, so you'll have to carry plenty of spare, which will eat into your luggage space, add loads of weight to pull out if you get stuck, and no doubt lead to more potential breakages.


There are a few diesels though and although they're possibly a bit slower, it's all about taking in the sights, isn't it? Roush do a converted Cam-Am, which might be interesting, but probably expensive. Arctic Cat do their Super Duty Diesel, both of which are FAR more economical than petrol and both are good brands. Sadly neither has a lockable rear-differential, so your tyre wear will go up, and of course you'll have tail out fun on wet roundabouts. Still they're both well-known brands so spares (including tyres) should be easier to find.




This forum is littered with threads detailing the Chinese problem. Basically, you can't drive in their country without Chinese registration and a guide, and that's VERY expensive.



Actually we had several, they were all devised to avoid Ewan & Charley. I favoured going via Scandinavia, ferry from the UK to Norway then up across the top of Sweden, Finland and into Russia stopping at St. Petersburg, Moscow and then across, down to the Altai and into Mongolia that way. I just thought many people take a more southerly route, and I love Scandinavia.

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The most important bit seemed to be what time of year do you want to be in Mongolia? People have driven the "Trans-Siberian Highway" in winter and said it's OK, but Mongolia in -40° conditions, no thanks. So the idea was to get there around June/July and get out and down to China by September/October


Of course, and that will add even more to your fun.



Merci à toi aussi (but really I'm an ex-pat Brit.



Lack of money and time, and the thought of wrestling with the Chinese. Oh and being lured away by the allures of young ladies on motorbikes (well one anyway) and having my head turned towards Africa. I will do it one day though, but probably by bike or slightly ill-suited soft-roader.



Alex

Hi again Alex,

Thanks for your speedy reply

I was told that diesal is not easy to come by.....is that not correct?

In the Roush would that be a RoTax engine do you think?

China.........That should not be too much of a problem 'cause I intend to donate the Quad somewhere in Mongolia as a quick response vehicle as I will be taking medical supplies with me.....in a trailer.....

I will check yourr route but I raelly would like to spend a wee bit of time in France.....I will be leaving UK mid November.........and just taking my time as this is not meant to be a race........God knows where I will be for Christmas!!

You men are always sucked in by beautiful young ladies on motorbikes!!!


You said in an earlier post that you could possibly send me the stuff you had researched I would be very grateful if that was still possible.

Warmest regards

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Hi again Alex,

Thanks for your speedy reply

I was told that diesal is not easy to come by.....is that not correct?

In the Roush would that be a RoTax engine do you think?

China.........That should not be too much of a problem 'cause I intend to donate the Quad somewhere in Mongolia as a quick response vehicle as I will be taking medical supplies with me.....in a trailer.....

I will check yourr route but I raelly would like to spend a wee bit of time in France.....I will be leaving UK mid November.........and just taking my time as this is not meant to be a race........God knows where I will be for Christmas!!

You men are always sucked in by beautiful young ladies on motorbikes!!!


You said in an earlier post that you could possibly send me the stuff you had researched I would be very grateful if that was still possible.

Warmest regards

Carole
Just adding to this so I can a PM...sorry...I 'av only done 7 posts so I need to send another...hey but I lurv breakin rules!!!
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hey, Scarecrow.
I've got the same prob with PM I can read but not send. pm your number and I'll give you a bell.
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I've got the same prob with PM I can read but not send. pm your number and I'll give you a bell.
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Hi Ian,

Check your PM's

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Hello Carole, It seem's your getting plenty of advise which is to be expected & valuable, but dont get too bogged down with details & structred planning, it will spoil the trip. I rode an 18 year old XT 600 25000 miles through Kazakstan, Mongolia, along the 'road of bones' up to Magadan, with out any real poblems, the roads were fine if a little challenging, particularly in Kazakstan & Siberia.Petrol is available pretty much everywhere even in ' outer Mongolia ' as many of the nomadic indiginous peoples have generators to run the satelite receivers, & the land cruisers ! Inner tubes were a problem as Russian rubber is very poor quality, tubless would be best as easily fixed in situ on the rim. 4 wheel drive not really needed if you look ahead & use your common sense & farmers experience. Shaft drive best, chains need quite a lot of maintainance. Insurance will be purchased at borders ( normally ) wether you want it or not, I paid $5 at the Mongolian border, for sure, not worth a wiggle ! Border crossings can be a real b***ard so be prepared to wait, dont get stroppy, it will slow you down even more. anything else ?, regards, john
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about your bank, i travel allover the world with work and initially had a similar problem, i went ballistic and moved all my accounts to the halifax told them the exact nature of my job and travel and bingo never had a problem since(they do charge for withdrawls oversea though) dont be shy it is your money not theirs,
ive offered my help to a few others on here regarding kazakhstan as i worked out there and am married to a kazak so if you need any help on that bit let me know ( my wifes friend is deputy editor of one of the news papers there so many be that could help)

good luck and all the best
Hi Ya,

Thank you for the info.........I can not imagine that others would have the same problem as I am having with my bank............for crying out loud they (Alliance & Leicester) they have been taken over by the huge international bank (Santander) you would have thought if you kept them fully informed of your plans they would accommadate you, but no they have dug their heels in and I have no choice but to move banks.......I will try the Halifax and see how I get on.

When I get a wee bit nearer the start date (Nov 09) may I come back to you with your contacts in Kazakstan.........I will be greatful by then of a friendly face.

I read from your profile that you are in North Yorkshire.......wher eabouts???

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