Hi Guys,

I am leaving on a 8month round Africa trip in 2 weeks.

What are youre feelings about travel insurance? I am in 2 minds...

Cheers Riaan

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No offence to anyone else, but I think you would have to be a total moron not to get travel insurance.

You could be bankrupted for life for something as simple as a broken leg.

Medical costs often costs tens of thousands of pounds.

Imagine you're in a serious crash ? Do you want to be treated by a back street hospital in Ethiopia ?? Even they would charge you thousands and you will get very questionable care.

You will want to be repatriated to get put together properly. That will cost unimaginable abouts of money

Don't forget about the the intensity of HIV in many African countries.

I took a sterile needle kit with me and kept it in my tank bag.

Insurance would cost you about £3-400 for 8 months.

Make sure the company covers you for riding a motorcycle OVER 125cc.

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Now that's more information than I care for interpol to know :/

Thanks Ted.

Its make sense. Can you recommend a good company?

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My friend had a very bad motorcycle crash in Laos a couple of years back. A drunken local on a scooter couldn´t steer on a bend properly, so the scooter went straight, and they basically had a head-on collision. Luckily my friend who got hit, is a real expert rider, as he´s raced bikes on and off road before I was even born, so he was able to make some sort of really quick maneuver, and the scooter only hit his left leg and hand.

But it still damn near killed him. He found himself on a ditch, with his left motocross boot on his armpit (and with the leg still inside that boot!)... the big artery, that delivers blood to the thigh and leg, was miraculously not cut, because in that case he would not have had a chance, but there was a lot of bleeding, and pain, and falling unconscious at times. He was taken to the capital Vientiane on the back of a pick-up (a painful ride of about 6 hours) and then on an ambulance plane to Bangkok, where he was operated several times. After a month or so, he was transported to Finland, again on a special flight because he needed to be stretchered, couldn´t even use a wheelchair.

He´s still not 100% recovered, but he´s alive. I don´t know what that mess of intensive care units, operations, chartered flights (and then later on, also all treatment back home) has cost, but I´m certain 100.000 dollars would not really get you far in his case, the grand total is probably closer to 500.000, if not more.

And you know what? It is ALL being payed for by his travel insurance, that he said had cost him less than 100 euros. If he didn´t have it, he could have in fact ended up dead in Laos. The level of treatment there was simply nowhere near to what he received once he got transported to a private hospital in Bangkok. Such places want in advance the certainty, that their patients are able to pay for the treatment, either themselves, or by their insurance companies. So it´s important to have proof of your travel insurance with you as you travel, for situations like this. You may not personally be able to tell anybody anything after the accident.

He´s been travelling & riding all over the planet for many many years, and never really needed the travel insurance. Until this happened.

Maybe this expressed my ´general feeling´ about the subject.

I see you're in Jo'burg.

I only know of one here in the U.K.

They're called Navigator Insurance and based in Manchester.

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www.TouringTed.com
1994 XR650L
2001 NX650 Dominator.

Now that's more information than I care for interpol to know :/

Hi Riaan,
I am driving from Norway to Cape Town from June to November down east Coast. Have a look at mototouring.com and have you tried Tuff stuff in Pretoria ?

+1.

Without recounting a whole load of detail, a friend of mine incurred massive costs for a medivac flight when it was realised that the travel/health insurance had lapsed (by just a few days IIRC). It wasn't a traffic accident, it wasn't anything to do with travelling as such - it was a medical problem that arose during work in a "3rd world country", but the cost came in at around 85K US$ IIRC which was for a stretcher-based recovery to the home area in a "1st world country".

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I think it is all about risk management. How much risk are you willing to live with?

I can see the argument that most of the time, lesser injuries are easily covered, and that if you do happen to have a major injury (broken leg) it can still be covered out of pocket.

Howver, when I've travelled out of my home country I've always made sure to have some sort of emergency health coverage for that one-in-million chance I'll get seriously mangled.

If it's a short trip the cost is under a hundred dollars for up to a million dollars worth of coverage. For a few hundred bucks, you can get coverage for six months or a year.

If you can afford a plane ticket and a motorcycle rental/purchase, surely you can afford some insurance. It seems a bit fool-hardy to me not to have it.

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The real problem comes, when in fact you do not manage to kill yourself in an accident, but you are left in real bad shape, require very expensive care possibly for a long time, maybe even a med-evac flight somewhere for better treatment (and do you pay THAT out of your wallet - I certainly could not, I just don't simply have that kind of money, nevermind arranging it on the spot, while I'm badly injured?) How do you get med-evac flight without an insurance, unless you're an oil sheikh, is beyond me. But then it's not my problem. Another area, where costs can seriously pile up, is if you will need to stay in intensive care for some time. Or you continue to need treatment for months or years.

And even if worst comes to worst, and you are killed, maybe your loved ones would like to get some compensation from your insurance in that case, it might not be a very easy situation for them, and usually it also involves financial stuff. For one thing, burying people in a decent manner tends to cost a bit of money.

But it's a free world, and you can choose to go without. Just be aware of the possibly very serious risks involved in that decision.

A big "click on" advert has appeared at the top of this thread! I haven't noticed it before - for Global Rescue - and their quoted "ball park" prices are as you mention.
It is all oriented to the market for health in the USA, maybe Canada also.

Risk: certainly it is about risk, and how much an individual is prepared to take.
It is also about the selfish gene in us all; the propensity to get into difficulty and then expect others to clear up the mess, no matter how much of a mess it is - the western world has lots of this nowadays.
e.g. "If you have a bad accedent you will most likely be killed and dont need insurance"

As a contrast, in my time working overseas, I have found that people are much more self-reliant and do not expect to be "sorted out".
As one summary word: inshallah. (this has been discussed in another thread in recent past that had a very similar theme).

ps the first time I broke a limb I found out, from talking with the surgeon, that there is no such thing as a "simple break".

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When I travel I make sure I have minimum $1 million USD coverage.

I know what the costs of reasonable care are in a decent hospital:

ICU stay - $10,000 per day would not be unusual
ER visit for simple problem - $1200
Broken leg - $20,000
Medevac Flight - short $50,000, long $100,000.


These are North American prices.

And before anyone says it, no, it's not going to the doctors, rather the hospitals and retrieval companies.

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