Bying new Indian Bike in 2016

[tincanbay]

Hi Guy"s, i am Roland, 50 years, german, living in germany. i plan to ride from India to Germanyend of 2016,i know, thats far in the future, but i will be clear with all my information before. I would like to buy a new bike,a Royal Enfield Classic 500,but as far as i found out, its not possible , only in Nepal, but for much more money.So the idea is to find an indian who bought it for me and after that i buy it from him as a used one and get it registered on my name. Is this still possible or are there also new changes in the indian law? I dont know if i need to have a permanent residence here , to buy a used bike ?From german custom authorities, i know that the bike can only registered in germany if it is at least 6 month registered before in India. And the last question is about the carnet de passage, if i will made it , in any way to buy a bike here, where can i get this carnet de passage, if not from india

Thanks
Roland

[chris]

As far as I'm aware it is illegal to take an Indian bike out of India (except Nepal and Bangladesh). So buying a Nepali ("export model") Bullet in Nepal is your only option.

The CdP will need to be issued by your (German = ADAC) motoring association. You'll need to arrange this with the ADAC before leaving Germany and advise them of the Nepali registration/chassis/engine numbers and have the document sent to Nepal.

A Nepali Bullet will also be an "export model" and more likely to pass the German TUV. An India bike will fail on most things like emissions/brakes.

Your question has been asked quite a few times on the HUBB already. The search function (top right) is really good for doing more research.

to the HUBB

[metita]

Hi Roland,
I bought a few years ago a new enfield, classic 350 from the local enfield dealer in Margao (Madgaon) in Goa. It was registered using the mecanic's name . Went together with him to a lawyer and this man produced a paper in wich the bike was transferred to me. Never the less the registerbook stays in the name of that mecanic. Same with the insurance. Never saw that mecanic again. Cannot change the registerbook to my name because I am non an indian.
Same idea with an enfield , 500 , wich I bought about 10 years ago in Delhi.
Someone in Goa is now the owner, but still with the Haryanaplates on it and still a certain mr Singh is on the registerbook.
So forget about buying an enfield in India and ride it back home. Nepal is the only option.
Further on, forget a 500, a 350 is way more reliable.

Have fun,

Metita, rode may times in India, 2 up on enfields

[crisidsto]

I read many times about problems registering indian enfields in europe, but how does it works with the nepalese ones?

Can you ride them outside Nepal?
Can you bring one to Europe and register it?

[tincanbay]

Hi guy's, i am actual in Kerala/ India, and there are some facts, that foreigners are not allowed to buy a new bike.As my thoughts to give a native the money, and buy it from him, works only, if i have a working visa, business visa etc. that allow's to search for a apartment, have a permanent adress and give me the way to register the bike on my name.
The bike has at least to be registered minimum a half year on my name, so that german customs and most importend the german TÜV, like the MOT, accept it as a importing vehicle.If i declare the bike as part of my move back to Germany , the regulations are much easier for registration.But i have to make some conversions, on tyres, lights etc.I wrote to the german RE Dealer, and they told me that all parts are avaiable , costs around 500€.As you may know, the Royal Enfield Classic 500 will cost here in India roundabout 1600€ including numberplates, paperwork etc., compare to nearly 6000€ in germany.now may you understand all the Energy i put in the idea.
The only hassle is, that the german automobilclub ADAC will not give me a carnet .There was to much hassle with importing from non EU countries.
I hope to find a easy solution, it sounds a bit complicate, here in India,also bureaucracy is worse then in germany.

By the way , sorry for my bad english
Roland

[brendanhall]

can you buy a bike (in India) with an address and a PIO card? even if you are not an Indian citizen?

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[pecha72]

Originally Posted by tincanbay

The bike has at least to be registered minimum a half year on my name, so that german customs and most importend the german TÜV, like the MOT, accept it as a importing vehicle.If i declare the bike as part of my move back to Germany , the regulations are much easier for registration.But i have to make some conversions, on tyres, lights etc.I wrote to the german RE Dealer, and they told me that all parts are avaiable , costs around 500€.As you may know, the Royal Enfield Classic 500 will cost here in India roundabout 1600€ including numberplates, paperwork etc., compare to nearly 6000€ in germany.now may you understand all the Energy i put in the idea.

The only hassle is
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If (?) you mean you are gonna buy a NEW motorcycle made in India, for the Indian market(?), and you plan to get it registered in the EU, that could prove out very complicated. That vehicle does not comply to the EU emission norms. (***Maybe***, IF you have worked&stayed a long time in India, it could be different, but I really don´t know, does it actually turn things around – and I know, that at least over here, you do need to prove, that you have worked there, earned the money there to buy the vehicle, etc.)

I think I´d just take it all as an adventure, and be prepared to keep the Enfield at home as a ´souvenir´ from that adventure, I might not necessarily be able to register it back home. And if I surprisingly did manage to do that, then it would be just a nice “bonus”. Now I know, that Germany and Finland are a bit different regarding vehicle taxation & registration, but both are in the EU...... Good luck!

[chris2790]

Hi Guys,

I'm in Mysore at the moment. Have just bought a used moped. Paperwork is in an Indians name. Insurance is for the vehicle, not the person.

I am told that if i wish to leave India with it, I just need a letter from the registered keeper giving permission. They then register as exported / scrapped etc.

Once you're out of the country, you'll be sorted. Who else knows what an Indian or whatever fake euro log book you choose looks like.

Good luck!

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[Uselessbaba]

''As far as I'm aware it is illegal to take an Indian bike out of India (except Nepal and Bangladesh)''........................This is not strictly true, you can take an Indian bike out of India IF you have all the relevant paperwork. You could, for example, airfreight the bike or ship it!


''So buying a Nepali ("export model") Bullet in Nepal is your only option. A Nepali Bullet will also be an "export model" and more likely to pass the German TUV. An India bike will fail on most things like emissions/brakes.''................................Unfortuna tely not, the Enfields available in Nepal are exactly the same as the models they sell in India, with all the common issues !


can you buy a bike (in India) with an address and a PIO card? even if you are not an Indian citizen?................................PIO (now changing to OCI) has the right to own property in India, so yes !


I am told that if i wish to leave India with it, I just need a letter from the registered keeper giving permission. They then register as exported / scrapped etc...............................leave India for where ? The only neighbouring country that will allow you to enter without CDP is Nepal and as they charge 3x import duty, would you really want to permanently export the bike to Nepal ?

Once you're out of the country, you'll be sorted............IF you are the registered owner of the vehicle, leaving India is not the problem, the problem is that you cannot enter Pakistan or Bangladesh with it !
Who else knows what an Indian or whatever fake euro log book you choose looks like............................Well, the guys at the Pak, Nepali and Bangladeshi customs posts certainly do, and they know what a CDP looks like too !


In short,you can ride the bike into Nepal, but that's it. If you so desire, you can then airfreight the bike onward .


UB.