China is open - Page 7

**Mombassa** · #91 17 Jan 2006

I'm trying this year too. Pakistan, Arunachal Pradesh (India) and Nepal will be tested.

**butchman** · #92 17 Jan 2006

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave_Smith:
I think with the Beijing Olympics coming up in 2008, China should open up.

G'Day,

doubt very much that anything changes regarding bike travel because the 2008 Olmpics will be hostet in Beijing.

they start to implement new rules and regulations to clean the air and stop pollution for the olympics.... watch this space for banning certain vehicles in the 2008 Olympic cities.

Police push as moped owners to follow ban

2006-01-07 Shanghai Daily

WITH gasoline-powered mopeds banned from driving on local roads since January 1, traffic police are urging the owners of about
20,000 of the vehicles in the city to discard them and swap their license plate for one they can use on an LPG-powered moped.

Gasoline-powered mopeds were banned because they produce a large amount of pollution and there are environmentally friendly
alternatives on the market.

Police said the last batch of licensed gas mopeds in the city are due to be discarded as their eight-year service period has officially ended. Discarding the vehicles is mandatory.

Owners can go the police station to exchange their license plate for an LPG license or choose to stop riding the fuel-power two-wheelers, police said.

The deadline for swapping the licenses is February 10.

Police are also giving up all of the gasoline-powered mopeds in their fleet, which have been in use for many years and are not in great shape.

Those caught riding the vehicles face a fine of up to 50 yuan, and those that can not provide proof they own the vehicles will be
detained by police, as many mopeds on the street are stolen, police
said.

*** sidenote: 1 US$ = 8.3 RMB ***

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Best Regards, Seeya in the pub or on the road somewhere.....
BUTCH

[This message has been edited by butchman (edited 17 January 2006).]

**vincent danna** · #93 18 Jan 2006

butchman,

as foreigners willing to enter china the easiest and cheapest way for most of us (to avoid the guide and the 200 usd/day things, etc ...), we are looking for and sharing info to manage this way.

your posts / point of view / mood as a citizen or expat. (whatever your nationality) can be different than the posts / point of view / mood of travellers, don t you think ?

what we all wish is to enter china and share good info from the inside (people who live in china) or the outside (travelers who have been there). if you can help in this way, your help / local expertise whatever pessimistic, optimistic, straight, cool, would be very much appreciated ...
cheers,

**butchman** · #94 18 Jan 2006

Quote:

Originally posted by vincent danna:
[B]we are looking for and sharing info to manage this way.
B]

G'Day Vincent,

sorry to upset some people again... currently the only legal way is to go through official PRC government channels and pay the fees and obtain permission and neccessary documents (import permit, d-license, etc). all the other options are still illegal.

sneaking a bike into PRC does not entitle you to drive in China since you need a Chinese driving license to drive a motorized vehicle. no overseas / foreign d-license accepted in China. without valid China d-license you are commiting a crime under PRC law. end of story!

we face challenges as well with our big motorcycles in PRC like cities banning and outlawing motorcycles, 85+ cities banning motorcycles, streets in Shanghai / Beijing off limits for bikes (any size), no license plates / rego for bikes with a displacement larger then 250cc in certain cities, interprovince travel ban for motorbikes.... etc... etc...

PRC = Peoples Republic of Changes is not motorbike friendly! keep that always in mind.

Best Regards, Seeya in the pub or on the road....
Butch

**svenpwrenn** · #95 18 Jan 2006

Look butchman, You have posted again, the exactly same information that you have posted over and over again before! So unless you have anything new to post then just stop posting! you realy not helping anyone, ur just upseting them! or start a new post! but let people on this post display there ideas and sucess or disapointment, it is a game of trial and error and the more people try then the more lickly it is to become possible!

**beddhist** · #96 18 Jan 2006

Please, folks, let's cool it.

**butchman** · #97 18 Jan 2006

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Originally posted by svenpwrenn:
you realy not helping anyone, ur just upseting them!

G'Day,

sounds like you do not want to face the real hard facts.... and think you can change China's policy regarding border crossings and vehicle import with your one man crusade!

you make me laugh very hard and loud!

they http://www.chinese-embassy.org.uk/ should be able to shed some light on your questions regarding driving license and vehicle import.

Best Regards, Seeya in the pub or on China's roads....
Butch

**Chris of Japan** · #98 18 Jan 2006

OK guys,

Cool it with personal attacks!

It seems some people have managed to get across the border and drive alone without any trouble in China.
As pointed out, this does not make it "officially OK."
Possible? Yes. A legal right? No.

I am going to (try to) lock this topic to give everyone a chance too cool down.
Start a new thread if you have any NEW information to ad. If you have information on "other-than-official" travel in China, please put a disclaimer in your post, so people will not get an idea that anyone can do this with no problem.

Thank you,
Your moderator